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The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:43 pm

Welcome to the SW7 Ride Speculation and Discussion topic

This is your main topic to discuss everything related to the ride itself, whether you have a great idea about what could happen during the ride or your in-depth study of the plans have highlighted something we haven't realised then here is the place to post! To help you along don't forget to check out our Roundup and FAQ Topic to see what has already been confirmed and our SW7 FAQ's.

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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:10 pm

To mention something I tried to post in the General Discussion thread before it was locked, I notice the queue line fence is made of steel like Air and Nemesis, so hopefully there won't be the issue of graffiti like on Th13teen and Rita.

EDIT: This post may belong more in the Area Discussion topic. Awkward.
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:15 pm

Wow, it does not take long to get the no limits models going!!  Good work! Looks fantastic.

As for the name, 'Oblivion - Invertigo' anyone? No? Dust. ;-)
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:15 pm

Are two separate topics, a ride, and area discussion thread really necessary? Considering they all form part of the same development, so will naturally overlap, especially considering how the ride will interact with the landscaping (the central plaza area) it all seems un-necessarily complicated.


With that said, this ride looks pretty awesome. I'm not convinced yet it would be a launched vertical lift. Whilst there is a suitable straight stretch before it, the curve in the track up to the vertical seems a little too sharp to be taken at speed.
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:18 pm

I was in the middle of posting this in the other thread when it was locked, so I'll add it here instead!

My opinion of this ride has completely changed from when I first saw it to now (but I guess that's because I viewed the plans on my phone which didn't really give it it's full clout!).

I saw the words Eurofighter and groaned, but as I got home and saw more of the plans and now these fantastic No Limits creations, I am really very excited.

Eight inversions?! This will more than double what the park currently has and is much needed.

Based in X Sector, a chance to finally rejuvenate the area.

An insane track design in a compact area. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it's like a mini version of Dragon Khan.

Plus there's the fact that the cars will probably 'duel' a bit and how great do those interlocking cobra roll like sections look?

Finally with this and Nemesis Sub Terra, I think the park are giving us what we want. It may not be a B+M, but I actually don't care because all I wanted was a new 'proper' no gimmick rollercoaster and that's exactly what we're getting .

Having said that, I'm sure I heard a rumour that a 'worlds first' gimmick would probably be part of this... :D
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:20 pm

haydn! wrote:
With that said, this ride looks pretty awesome. I'm not convinced yet it would be a launched vertical lift. Whilst there is a suitable straight stretch before it, the curve in the track up to the vertical seems a little too sharp to be taken at speed.

Some have speculated that the ride will come to a stop at the bottom of the vertical lift and then be launched to the top.
Whether this will be the case or if this would be a worlds first is unknown (to me at least)
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:29 pm

Stern John wrote:
haydn! wrote:
With that said, this ride looks pretty awesome. I'm not convinced yet it would be a launched vertical lift. Whilst there is a suitable straight stretch before it, the curve in the track up to the vertical seems a little too sharp to be taken at speed.

Some have speculated that the ride will come to a stop at the bottom of the vertical lift and then be launched to the top.
Whether this will be the case or if this would be a worlds first is unknown (to me at least)

The Zierer coaster 'Wicked' has a vertical launch, so it woulsn't be a first.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:44 pm

Yes, however, what about the coaster stopping on the vertical piece of track and then getting launched upwards rather than Wicked where you're launched along horizontally before sweeping up and continuing the launch vertically. That would be the world's first full vertical launch, wouldn't it?
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:46 pm

BigAl wrote:
. That would be the world's first full vertical launch, wouldn't it?


AKA...a gimmick.  :roll:
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:46 pm

I hate to be the party pooper here, but is anyone else worried that this might end up looking like a Vekoma LSM - i.e. a mess of track. The plan that is looking from Enterprise worries me the most, all I see is a great big jumble of metal, not a good look. Whether this is just the use of thick brown lines in the plans remains to be seen, but at the minute, I'm not so sure on that front.

Despite that, this is definitely what Alton need at the minute. 18 years without a fully inverting coaster is too long, and this has them a plenty - makes up for what we've been missing on! I can't see them trying for an inversion record though. Doesn't the dueling aspect make this a world's first? I know there are already Mobius coasters around, but none duel at different intervals, e.g. the trains start at different times, surely they can market it as that? (Providing the ride does duel).
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:46 pm

CoasterCrazyChris wrote:
BigAl wrote:
. That would be the world's first full vertical launch, wouldn't it?




AKA...the world's biggest gimmick ever.  :roll:
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:47 pm

CoasterCrazyChris wrote:
BigAl wrote:
. That would be the world's first full vertical launch, wouldn't it?


AKA...a gimmick.  :roll:

Yes, I get the picture. But aren't most world first concepts gimmicky nowadays? :|
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:49 pm

They couldn't claim that as a first. Doesn't matter that Wicked starts flat. Even if this rolled into the vertical and paused there, rather than on the mid-course, it's still no different.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:50 pm

With a track layout as proposed, it doesn't really matter if they add a random World First gimmick.

If it's gimmicky + great coaster fine.

If it's gimmicky + poor coaster, then less fine (a la Th13teen).
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:51 pm

I still don't see how the drop on Thirteen is a gimmick. It's the centre piece of the whole ride. The whole thing is built around it. if anything, the preceding track is the gimmick, not the drop.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:59 pm

Th13teen relies on the drop though. The rest of the coaster isn't anything worth raving about. If it weren't for the drop that made people want to see the world first... well...

That's where this could be different. We can see that the outside section has a good length and offers a new white knuckle experience that currently isn't found at Alton Towers. If the ride also has a world first to add to the experience or play out a story (i.e an explosion sending your car flying out of a laboratory) then I see nothing wrong with that as we can see that the rest of the coaster actually looks fun.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:02 pm

Blaze wrote:
I still don't see how the drop on Thirteen is a gimmick. It's the centre piece of the whole ride. The whole thing is built around it. if anything, the preceding track is the gimmick, not the drop.


Gimmick: An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project

I think it's hard to argue that the drop on Thirteen is a gimmick, but I wouldn't say that necessarily makes it bad. I personally quite like the drop but the coaster leading up to it is pretty disappointing.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:15 pm

Coaster_Dude wrote:
Blaze wrote:
I still don't see how the drop on Thirteen is a gimmick. It's the centre piece of the whole ride. The whole thing is built around it. if anything, the preceding track is the gimmick, not the drop.


Gimmick: An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project

I think it's hard to argue that the drop on Thirteen is a gimmick, but I wouldn't say that necessarily makes it bad. I personally quite like the drop but the coaster leading up to it is pretty disappointing.

Exactly. While the drop was what they used to sell the ride, it wasn't tacked on for the sole purpose of having something to sell. The outdoor section, if anything, is the tacked on, substanceless part.

Although with tree growth, it will become less and less that and start to be a much better experience.
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:22 pm

As long as the actual roller coaster section is good, as well as the theming, I really don't mind about it getting a world first. It would create interest without being too tacky like stating something needs signing before riding or a celebrity has been on it first and has come off in one piece so it's perfectly safe. I can persuade my friends to make a trip if it sounds interesting enough to them. :P
 
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Re: The Smiler - Speculation

Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:39 pm

We could all do worse than get to know this pov quite well over the next year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Vy_YzhwHE
Features a Saw-style dark ride section with inversion, then a layout pretty similar but larger layout that packs in elements and inversions, with a lift in the middle.

Still think a Gerstlaur is a retarded choice, but on current form, at least it should be a great ride.

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