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Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:42 pm

Does anyone know why Chessington have changed the boarding restrictions on Black Buccaneer? There has to have been a 'happening' of some sorts to make its loading now a farce and very slow.

We went yesterday to find there now has to be an adult at each end of the bench seating. My grandsons, 12 & 10, were near the front of the queue so raced as usual for the back row only to be told to get off and stand at the boarding gate. The attendant then started filling the ride with people who had been behind them in the queue playing people chess to ensure an adult was at both ends. It looked like our boys were not going to get on until my daughter voiced her displeasure at this situation. The shout then went out asking for any adults further back in the queue if they would sit on the row ends and they then could also ride again with their group, the attendant then started moving people yet again so our boys could ride. The poor little devils ended up being separated and in the middle section which, to them, is where people like their little sister sit. :?

Mind you the highlight of our day was the fact that finally my 5 year old granddaughter was tall enough to ride Vampire. The little lady whooped with glee all the way round so I think she is an adrenalin junky in the making!
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:53 pm

Huss have changed the height restrictions on their pirate ships, so now you have to be 1.3m to ride on your own, and if you are between 1m and 1.3m tall you must ride with an adult. It is the same on Blade at Alton Towers, and the change on happened on Saturday I believe. It is unknown why this has happened, but I'm sure Huss have a good and valid reason.

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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:55 pm

Those are the same restrictions as at Legoland (adults on the edges at all times) - when asking an attendant why, I was told that there's a chance that shorter kids could wriggle out from the sides.

Seemed highly over-the-top to me, but then I'd expect that from the ever-paranoid Legoland. If it's spread to Chessington, however, then it's clearly an instruction from above (presumably related to the change in minimum height that Rob points out). Shame really.

Are they telling people not to let go of the handlebars at any time yet? That's the next move, judging by Legoland... :no:
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:26 pm

Thanks for info Rob, I guessed one of you guys would know the reason.
Attendants we asked about the restrictions were a bit closed lip so we wondered if there had been an incident.
Both of my grandsons are over 1.4 but they still would not let them ride on the outside seats so they are obviously following Legolands restrictions as stated by Islander. In all fairness it is a fairly high ride and with the sides of the seats being quite open a slim 0.9 kid could possible wriggle down into a dangerous position if they really wanted to freak their parents out.
For your information Islander there was no instruction at Chessington yesterday to not let go of the handlebars.
We are going to Alton on Friday so will expect the same delays on Blade then.
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:34 pm

Apparently, following recent research from Huss, they hadn't released how forceful there Pirate Ships were. Considering the model is 30+ years old I found it quite amusing.

It's now the only ride at Chessington that children have to be accompanied by an over 18 on.


Oh and Chessy are not being ridiculous and forcing you to hold onto the bars.
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Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:38 pm

:evil: If they so much as think about telling me to Hold on, I shall explain to those jobsworth teenage monkeys who call themselves ride ops, that I was riding the Black Buccaneer before they were even born. If I haven't fallen out of it in the last 20 years, I don't think I'm in any danger now.
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:43 pm

"Caz" wrote:
We are going to Alton on Friday so will expect the same delays on Blade then.


Whilst the minumum height restriction have changed on Blade, they are, or were at the weekend, allowing children to sit on the outside. So at Towers at least, it is still a case of you can sit where you want if the seats still free :D

Whatever next? "Due to Health & Safety reasons this ride will remain stationary for 2 minutes, after which all guests shall alight and make their way to the exit. Anyone putting their hands up during the stationary ride experience will be removed." :shock:
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:43 pm

Just read what I wrote and think it "could" have been mis-interpreted, at the moment you don't have to hold on :P
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:33 am

It really has to be accompanied by an over 18? W.T.F. ?! :shock: :shock: :shock:

I often don't want to go on the BB - it does something to my stomach so I'm not always in the mood for it so I usually send the 4-yr old and the 13-yr old on together.

a) The 13-yr old pays an adult price.
b) She's basically the same height as her mum anyway.
c) They've never fallen out.
d) A couple of weeks ago they rode Blade 4 times in a row at park-close at Alton, and were the only people on the entire ride for 2 of those goes. They still didn't fall out.
e) Has anyone ever fallen out?
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:16 am

If it really is an issue I don't see why they can't just allow unaccompanied kids but with a limit of 3 per row with the edge seats empty...
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:06 pm

On Monday at Alton they weren't enforcing the adult on the ends rule.
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Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:16 pm

The rule seems to be one that has been adopted by Chessington, similar to Legoland and their hold on at all times rule. It seems Alton have just altered the height limits in accordance with manufacturers recomendations without introducing any of their own 'rules'.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:54 pm

If this is suddenly an issue (which it isn't), then maybe they should demand that Huss redesign the edge of the seats? Then when Huss turn round and tell Merlin to STFU, they might realise they are being stupid.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:42 pm

As far as Im aware it has ALWAYS been that smaller children MUST sit in the middle of the row and MUST be accompanied by and adult (1.4m or over). I think I have the official ride manual somewhere so will have a quick read through it, but this is the restrictions we all use to follow when I was working on it.
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:51 pm

It's a fantastic ride and I really hope it's not been ruined by yet more un-needed H&S regulations. There's not been a major accident on hundreds of the very same model for 30+ years why change it now!

Either way. I'll check it out on Monday, but I feel, like Diogo, if you are forced to hold on then it has gone way too far.
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:55 pm

Ok these are the official restrictions for Blade quoted from the Code Of Safe Working Practise manual between 2002 and 2007 (I believe it hasnt changed until last Saturday, but obviously cannot confirm that):

:arrow: Anyone under 0.9m cannot ride the Blade (Recently changed to 1m)
:arrow: Anyone under 1.1m (now 1.3m) must be accompanied by an adult
:arrow: All small children under 1.1m (now 1.3m) must sit between adults and must not sit at the ends of the rows.
:arrow: All passengers must remain seated whilst the ride is in motion
:arrow: No large or bulky items can be taken on board the ride
:arrow: No eating, drinking or smoking onboard the blade
:arrow: All loose items must be secured prior to the ride starting
:arrow: At no time must anyone try to cross the platforms in front,behind or under the gondola
:arrow: A maximum of 5 adults (1 adult can be swapped for 2 children) per row with a maximum ride capacity of 45 passengers
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:58 pm

"John" wrote:
If it really is an issue I don't see why they can't just allow unaccompanied kids but with a limit of 3 per row with the edge seats empty...

Because it's not seats, it's bench seating with a single lapbar. If there's room on a row, people can instantly slide to one end or another.
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:38 pm

"Big Dave" wrote:
:arrow: All small children under 1.1m (now 1.3m) must sit between adults and must not sit at the ends of the rows.

Interesting, so this isn't actually a new restriction at all - it's just that Chessie and AT have been somewhat ignoring it (Lego's ship was only installed this February/March, so presumably they've just been more careful to stick to the rules from the off).
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:49 pm

Yes like I said on the previous page, it has always been the case that smaller children must sit in the middle.

"Big Dave" wrote:
As far as Im aware it has ALWAYS been that smaller children MUST sit in the middle of the row and MUST be accompanied by and adult (1.4m or over). I think I have the official ride manual somewhere so will have a quick read through it, but this is the restrictions we all use to follow when I was working on it.


EDIT: I have found an update from Huss Rides that was sent out to all owners of their Pirate Ship rides dated August 20th 2001. It reads as follows:

Dear Sir or Madam,

Further to our letter July 18th 2001 regarding the Pirate Ship ride and its height restrictions. Please be advised that following feedback from customers, we contacted the TUV in Germany to review the concerns expressed and to clarify the height restriction requirements for this attraction.

Be advised that as of immediate effect, the correct height restrictions are 48" (1.2m) for unaccompanied children and 39" (0.9m) for children that are accompanied by parents and/or adults. In addition, small children (those between 39" and 48") should not be seated at the outside of any seat row and it is also recommended that they are seated in the two seat rows closet to the central mast. Individuals smaller than 39" are not permitted under any circumstances to ride this attraction.


Straight away I notice a problem there. If that reads that Huss recommend everyone under 1.2m to be accompanied by an adult in 2001, why are the park saying 1.1m as according the the COSWP in 2002? Maybe the park have only just realised this error and have had to change it or an external body that let them get away with 1.1m have now told them they must change the restriction.
 
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Re: Chessington new Black Buccaneer ride restrictions?

Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:10 am

"James6" wrote:
Apparently, following recent research from Huss, they hadn't released how forceful there Pirate Ships were. Considering the model is 30+ years old I found it quite amusing.


Well, it's true that Huss Pirate Ships can be very forceful, but let's not forget that none of the Merlin rides are run at anywhere near full speed, so that in itself is not an issue. By comparison, riding the end rows of Das Funschiff in Germany, it's almost impossible not to stand up, as the force really does lift you out of your seat on every high swing.

Surely it wouldn't take much engineering to adapt the rides though? Loudon Castle's Huss Pirate Ship had gates added to the end of each row, while I can't imagine it would be too demanding to add seat dividers to each bench and make it impossible to move around in mid-ride.

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