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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:27 pm

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Do you think realistically it will get back to 2008-2014 standards in 2018 because I genuinely can't tell at this point!
As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't get back to that standard by 2018 then (in my opinion) thinking it will improve is stupid but since I am very much disenfranchised on this issue, what is your genuine opinion on this?

I would have made a new topic but I doubt it needs one.


Simple answer, no, it won't ever be the same. The park will have changed over the years anyways, and so you can not compare 2018 to 2008. People are being too sentimental over the park and its sentimentality that will cause the park to not progress in a way that it needs to do. Its all well and good being sentimental about the rides, but if the business was to do that, people would get bored with the park. So whilst I appreciate the need and wanting for things to be like they were, they never will.

As for 2018, SW8 will be an awesome addition and i'm sure that what ever the park has planned for 2018 will be for the benefit of the park and I for one am very excited to see what the future holds for the park.
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:33 pm

Id love to see some of the things from the original concepts for the dark first realised. I remember seeing some images when we first heard about the themeing of the area which had some kind of twisted tree trunk arms ride. I love thirteen and they've given Rita a different story to fit into the area but I feel like there's much more which could be done In the area to strengthen the theme. Especially with something like a flat.

Also from a personal point of view I will miss the flume so would love another kind of water ride seeing as we have lost he flume to a coaster. Exiciting things to come in the future though I'm sure :)
 
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:26 pm

There are some things that should be sentimental, and some things that shouldn't. Pleasure beach has half and half balance, and I don't really get bored there, Towers doesn't have many older coasters, however you can argue that the rides that have been removed are rather poor/unpopular. You've also got to consider the case of rides such as Thunder Looper and the restrictions.

Simple way to think of it is like a shop. You stock the most popular items that bring in the most profit/make the most business sense. Over time these will become less popular, and people won't buy them as much anymore. You wouldn't buy more stock to just sit on the shelves. In coaster terms, you wouldn't want to pay for rides insurance, maintenance and staffing if it didn't do anything for the park.
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:39 pm

I know this will never happen but i would really like to see GW expanded. Then add a flat or two, then a small scary water ride into GW. A big flat ride to replace ripsaw and another flat in FV, and a flat ride to replace submission(I loved submission! :cry: ). A small extension to DF add flats. And (the most unlikely,)an extension to adventure land with another kid ride and a flat ride.
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:43 pm

Well apparently SW8 is to be apart of Gloomy Wood, but at this point, who knows?... also, Duel is to get TLC soon. So maybe new stuff in Gloomy Wood isn't impossible, just quite unlikely!
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:34 pm

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And (the most unlikely,)an extension to adventure land with another kid ride and a flat ride.


There won't be an expansion to adventure land because it doesn't exist any more!
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What ride / s will be next to go?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:12 am

I think the mine train may go next
 
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Re: What ride / s will be next to go?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:50 pm

I doubt it will be the mine train, it’s a really solid ride and a great family ride in the park.

I think it’s widely known that Spinball Whizzer is due to leave fairly soon though, despite the loss it will be in the park
 
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:46 pm

Alton Towers flat ride fix to make all areas of the park fun for people of all ages.

Forbidden Valley – one new family flat, one new thrill flat in place of Ripsaw. At the moment there is a serious lack of things that are suitable for younger children in this area of the park, and means a lot of back and forth walking for groups / families with childeren of different ages. A flat ride replacement for Ripsaw, as well as a new family flat ride, possibly given a space theme to tie in with Galactica would fix this problem.

Dark Forest – one new thrill flat. I think there is room for a flat, and it'd be highly beneficial for the land, absorbing the large crowds that the area attracts. 

Cloud Cuckoo Land – one new family flat, in addition to the retheme. The new flat ride would be to cater for the lack of family rides in the Dark Forest, and as CCL isn't a long walk away, should mean that there isn't any problems with lack of thrill or family rides in each area.

X-Sector – one new family flat. At the moment, there is just nothing for younger people to do in the area, as Enterprise will often been seen as too scary, even if children are tall enough to ride it. 
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:08 am

That's a nice plan Robert, but there's a few things I'd personally do differently regarding flats.
Forbidden Valley could do with some sort of thrill flat on the site of Ripsaw, and the reopening of sub-terra. Imagine a KMG afterburner swinging over the area and woodland walk! Just helps soak up the queues in that area.
I reckon they could squeeze than one flat in Dark Forest, depending on what they go for, seeing as there were loads of flats in that area originally. They could definitely fit at least one in though! Maybe an air race could fit in well.
I don't need to say how much work CCL needs as it's common knowledge by now as the area is virtually empty. It'd be great if Twirling Toadstool made a return alongside a magic carpet, and a few other family rides for the 8-10 market. Reopening the theater as a, err... theatre would be great, the excitement of a live show would really breathe life into the area.
X Sector is an interesting one as it's been very much a thrill-focused area for years. A Tourbillion would be a great substitute for a topspin and would look great on the old submission site. Enterprise looks like it has years left, seeing as it was refurbished/replaced within the past few years.
Another thing to note is the Spinball site, seeing as (if my memory serves me right or if I'm just passing rumours as fact) the LTDP suggests it would be gone by 2019. This opens up a decent amount of space, but there are tighter restrictions on that plot now so it can't be that tall. I'd love for a few, high-capacity family flats there, but realistically it'll be another Cbeebies expansion.
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:14 pm

Thanks Morgan, you make some really nice suggestions in your post too! My suggestions are really just the base minimum I'd like them to do, so I definitely agree with some of your ideas!

Very much agree with you about CCL. Reopening on the theatre, as well as all the current SBNO rides is a must, but I'm pretty sure that will be happening should that areas ben rethemed in the near future. Sadly, I just don't think I can see them moving Frog Hopper again to open up the entrance to the theatre, let alone put on an actual show in there! 

Spinball is another interesting one. That really would be a loss to the park if it were to be removed, especially with how operations are at the moment, as well as it being one of the park's best family coasters. I'm kinda hoping that it doesn't go. I mean, there are other things on the LTDP which never actually happened, so hopefully Spinball is another one of those things. Having said that, the council are very keen for it to go, so who knows?! I'd be very very disappointed if Spinball did go, and then the 2019 addition was just another expansion of CBeebies Land. A dimply ride needs to be replaced with a family ride in my opinion, and CBeebies doesn't ally fit into that category. And when there are areas lie CCL which need the attention much more urgently, I really hope that that is the area that will be refreshed for 2019, without Spinball being removed.

Forbidden Valley, whilst I do see the importance of a thrill ride to replace Ripsaw and reopening Sub Terra, and that must come first above any other additional rides, but I think it's the one area of the park were it doesn't quite cater for all ages, and a new family flat ride near Galactica would definitely fill this gap.

For X-Sector, I really really like the idea of a Tourbillon – I think that could work very well for the area, and would fit the theme nicely as well! I'd still worry about the lack of family options there, but at least it's not as isolated as FV is. Again, the Dark Forest, ideally more than one new thrill flat, as there is I'm sure quite a few spaces where they can put these in the Dark Forest. 
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:05 pm

Thanks :) Moving Froghopper isn't as hard as you make it out, seeing as it's essentially a travelling ride. One FHT it was in Forbidden Valley after all!
I wouldn't mind if 2019 sees minimal new rides but with a focus on entertainment, both in theatres and as you walk about. 2018 has certainly been a step in the right direction with the return of the ATTP and the debut of Wasteland Bash, so hopefully this means that the ents budget is getting bigger and bigger. Next year could see more roamers, the permanent installation of Wasteland Bash (until a flat ride takes it's place), the CCL theatre to relaunch and possibly re-introduce a mascot?
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:17 pm

Yeah. I think Alton have been quite tactical when it come to Entertainments this year, especially putting Wicker Man's effects in that department. It may have meant that any extra budget the department got for Wicker Man has been distributed around to get in more on park entertainment, so it's definitely a good thing! 

I still believe we'll see something more than just Entertainments next year though, as it's pretty much confirmed that the park is getting something bigger in 2019, likely a new area, or a retheme of an existing area. I just hope whatever they do add, that they incorporate some new entertainment into it!
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Morgan wrote:
Moving Froghopper isn't as hard as you make it out, seeing as it's essentially a travelling ride.

Definitely. I can't imagine the actual ride takes much more than a day to move. Its been up at the hotels before for Christmas events
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:49 pm

I do seriously think we will not get anything in regards to new rides or rethemes any time soon. Towers have invested a large amount into wickerman so I imagine they won't want to invest anymore for a while because of this. Maybe some more TLC work if it is continued and maybe some ride removals but I still don't think anything big will happen for 2/3 years :)
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:16 pm

But @DeadJack5, it has been strongly rumoured that Towers are planning at least some new addition for 2019... 

To be honest, I actually don't really expect the TLC thing to continue, although I think that they will at least look after what they fixed with a bit more care hopefully.
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:26 pm

Merlin's Capex cycle, Much like other Theme Park Operators, have a new investment every year. 

Merlin's Capex cycle makes Towers probably due a small investment for 2019, This'll probably something like a Sea Life expansion or Cbeebies Land attraction coupled with something like a new F&B outlet. 

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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:57 pm

The creative team did say they were working on something for 2019 at the Meet the Maker event. I know it'll be small but at least that's confirmation that we're getting something
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:10 pm

Merlin's Capex cycle makes Towers probably due a small investment for 2019, This'll probably something like a Sea Life expansion or Cbeebies Land attraction coupled with something like a new F&B outlet.

I definitely do not see a Sea Life expansion for two reasons, 1, there's nowhere to expand to. And 2, just why? What would be the point in changing something that is already pretty good and fairly well themed? Then a Cbeebies Land attraction I doubt would happen, considering we've recently had Go Jetters, Furchester, Octonauts and a hotel dedicated to CBeebies - that's surely overkill, maybe 2020, however, we could see yet another expansion. 

I think we will see one or two (one at least) new Thrill flat rides located in either Dark Forest/Forbidden Valley - at least that's what I hope.  
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Re: 2015-2019: Possible Developments?

Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:00 pm

Just gonna put it out there, I think nearly every area should have a flat ride, DF, CCL (which really needs attention or a re-theme) GW, and one to replace Ripsaw in FV.

It’s very unlikely, but I’d love more to be added to Towers Street!
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