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by Kraken
Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:36 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

It could all be part of the conditions of what's in the HSE report. Alton Towers won't want to rush opening it to the management are help that what happened on the 2nd June won't happen again. I also reckon there put cameras in the control booths of all rides to keep a eye on the workers. People li...
by Kraken
Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:40 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

In many cases it would be better to reset the system with guest onboard than to evacuate the ride. Although there are ways to get riders off the ride at all the emergency stop points (lift hills and block brakes) doing so will be very time consuming and have a substantial element of risk of injury ...
by Kraken
Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:16 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

But the system needs upgrading then that allows the ops to know where all trains are at all times. Couldn't they have sensors on the trains that picks up sensors on the track so if it does stall again and it E stops on the lift hill they know straight away that a train still on the circuit and wher...
by Kraken
Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:18 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

The system wouldn't stay the same as the current system didn't stop the other train entering the circuit. It's a poor system as they should have known that the train wasn't in the break run. Like Air 2nd Train won't go over the lift hill to the 1st train in the break run. Also 13 2nd Train will sto...
by Kraken
Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:53 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

What if the HSE don't want the system to be overrided in the first place? Then some other thing would be needed (some key to access it or something). That is already how the system is - on just about all rides. There are a number of key-switches on a rides control panel(s) that enable various funct...
by Kraken
Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:38 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

If The Smiler does reopen (& I think / hope it will) it will almost certainly be next season at the earliest. There are a number of reasons for this line of thought; 1. HSE Prohibition Notice is still on the ride - AT can do nothing while that is in place. 2. PR - let the media frenzy over the r...
by Kraken
Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:55 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

Could they be considering a place to put a CCTV camera that looks over the bat wing? They seem to be looking down towards it, as if they were getting a perspective of the possible camera's field of vision. In the event of a block fault on the Smiler (so a stalled train / a sensor not registering th...
by Kraken
Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:22 am
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: Scarefest - General Discussion
Replies: 2574
Views: 397388

Re: 2015 Scarefest

Themepark247360 wrote:
Don't the travelling community visit on the 2nd day (Sunday) of Scarefest?

Yes. It's mainly the 1st Sunday of Scarefest. Sure, there will be some travellers who decide to make a weekend of it - but the real "travelling crowd" attend on the Sunday.
by Kraken
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:27 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: Scarefest - General Discussion
Replies: 2574
Views: 397388

Re: 2015 Scarefest

Just to state the obvious about Scarefest... the first Sunday of Scarefest (so October 18th this year) is one of the two traditional "traveller days" at Alton Towers each year (the other being Easter Sunday). Expect a significant attendance from the travelling community. Expect the scare m...
by Kraken
Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:58 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort Future
Topic: How do you deter vandalism?
Replies: 29
Views: 8675

Re: How do you deter vandalism?

I fully agree that Alton Towers should do more to counter the visitors who see it as their god-given right to scrawl their name / message along any queue line fence. The reason they [Alton Towers / their Security department] won't do anything is because of the location of the park. If AT Security we...
by Kraken
Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:35 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

Don't get me wrong I think AT are handling the situation very well so far. The most sensitive PR episode will come if/when The Smiler reopenes. They have the biggest challenge ahead still. Alton Towers are handling the situation well so far. Their biggest problem is going to be when the HSE report ...
by Kraken
Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:58 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: CBeebies Land Hotel
Replies: 125
Views: 36326

Re: Proposed Alton Towers Hotel Extension

The big problem I have with all this development is the Waterpark. It's not big enough as it is at peak times for the people that want to use it. Adding extra accommodation is only going to make things worse. I have seen no plans submitted to SMDC for waterpark expansion.
by Kraken
Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:19 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort History
Topic: Downtime 2015
Replies: 218
Views: 44884

Re: Downtime 2015

To be fair though this is actually quite serious compared to other news like common ride technical difficulties, being stuck for that period of time in not well ventilated trains in this heat with that amount of guests, towers walking a very tight rope at the minute. I agree - to have been stuck on...
by Kraken
Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:02 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

Very good to read that Merlin are already making interim payouts to the affected passengers on The Smiler. I naturally wish them all well in their recoveries. One change I can see coming in from the HSE investigation... after any "Block Fault" shutdown, the position of all trains has to be...
by Kraken
Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:55 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

Just to clarify the situation with regard to 999 calls from Alton Towers... If there is an emergency on the site (be it on the Theme Park / Waterpark / Hotels) staff have to dial a 4 digit internal "emergency" number which puts them through to Security Control. Security then make the 999 c...
by Kraken
Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:08 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

Go to http://www.merlinentertainments.biz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; & follow the Brands / Resort Theme Parks links... (& then follow the Alton Towers one) you are presented will all sorts of images of The Smiler. Left hand does not know what the right hand is doing by th...
by Kraken
Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:28 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

The park said the carriage carrying the people was travelling at 20mph when it crashed. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32997703 The BBC aren't allowed to fabricate facts like that under their reporting guidelines. I can understand why you would take it as a pinch of salt if it were th...
by Kraken
Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:42 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

From the BBC News website.... Crash happened at 13:57 [Alton's First Responders called] by ride staff. First Responders are based in either the Security Lodge behind the old Ice Show tent, or at the Medical Centre on Towers Street by Skyride. Assuming they were at base [Security Lodge] 11mins is a v...
by Kraken
Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:30 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

I strongly suspect that it will be the Health & Safety Executive who decide when Alton Towers reopens to the public. As has previously been said on here - the likely cause of this accident was either a huge failure of the ride PLC (control system), or, human intervention that allowed [or unknowi...
by Kraken
Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:19 pm
Forum: Alton Towers Resort General
Topic: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15
Replies: 2534
Views: 501606

Re: The Smiler Incident 02/06/15

A very good & concise post by Morgano (above) of what seem to be the facts (from all the various sources) - and it does not make good reading for Alton Towers. Either there was a huge failure of the ride PLC (Programmed Logic Computer, i.e. the control system) that allowed two trains to enter th...
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