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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:46 am

"Groovee" wrote:
Are you meaning get real nut shells? If so itt would then mean that nut allergy sufferers like my son would no longer be able to ride Charlie and my son being 7 loves Charlie. But pretend ones hand made and painted would be fine.


"Warning: This Ride May Contain Nuts"
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:19 pm

I am the first to say I am addicted to the Towers and if anyone says anything horrible about the place, I normally disagree but I really do believe that Alton's dark rides lets the place down. I mean, look at Valhalla at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. It is just amazing. Compared to CATCF and Duel, it is out of this world. Alton Towers should buckle down and start to pay attention to detail because at the end of the day, that is what we want. The same with Th13teen. It's great but it lacks a lot of detail. We need detail! And this idea is very good because it is cheap. I agree!

Well done!
 
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Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:58 pm

Valhalla is amazing, but not as good as you are making out as far as theming and atmosphere are concerned :P There are massive holes in the theming, where you can see maintainance areas, control booths and all sorts, and that's just a start :P And the atmosphere is forced onto you rather than created. It's hard not to be dramatic when there are explosions and the music is so loud :P
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:02 pm

As impressive as Valhalla is, it lacks quite a lot of detail. The big effects are very good, but it is still very noticeable that you are in a big warehouse having gallons of water thrown at you. The original Haunted House relied upon some very detailed and impressive scenes - on a par with the Haunted Mansion in some places. It is sad that many of the scenes are now poorly lit, and many of the new effects cheapen the huge effort put into the original ride.

I still find it odd that there are no videos of the original house - it was very immersive and fun. I know John Wardly gets a lot of praise (goes a bit OTT at times), but I applaud him for the original house, it was very theatrical and dramatic.
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:27 pm

Hello all,

Well I said I wouldn't give up on this project. I'd like to know off all of you what you think the best next step would be.

At the moment, I am drafting an e-mail to John Wardley, Ian Crabbe and Candy Holland about my ideas. :)
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:56 pm

I think you have to look at the general guest who has never been on Duel before, because there is alot in there for first and second timers and adding more would become over powering, yes for us it would be a great bosst but for the general public there is more than enough in there for a re ride! As for charlie I love the idea and Alton towers should take note! I do also think the theming lacks in the TV room where all there is, is a giant TV screen and for first time guests they have no idea what they are meant to do!
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:20 pm

The general public (minus families) think Duel is crap. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:40 pm

Admittedly as mainly a Pleasure Beach fan, I think that Alton does thrill rides better and the Pleasure Beach do dark rides better as a general rule - however I believe that whilst Charlie is a pile of crap, Duel is a brilliant dark ride, with the 'ghost train' element apealing to families and the interactive element appealing to thrill-seekers. A brilliant interactive ride to say the least. :)

If anything, the ride should be spruced up rather than redeveloped of mothballed. [-o<
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:59 pm

Do you think Charlie would be good if it was changed into the Alton Dungeons, a water ride around the underneath of the towers full of ghostly goings on.
It would also fit in with Hex and Thirteen, just a thought.
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:25 pm

I like the principle of this idea you've come up with Sam, although I feel the problem with Duel is more to do with how the ride is set up than the lack of theming...

Enthusiasts having to opportunity to help clean up the park during the closed season would be good though, and save the park a bit of money on labour...
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:14 am

It's a nice idea but as said, I can't see how unloading a bunch of crap from charity shops and grocery stores is going to help a parks theme. I think every good theme park works on the basis of quality not quantity. Obviously both gets you Disney and Universal but, frankly, quantity alone gets you those clustered Asian Disney knock-off parks and it just doesn't work. If a compromise is to be made I'd rather retain the quality, however little of it.

Infact, one could argue Alton 'trying to hard' was the reason Duel was ruined in the first place. Ripping the place apart to stick in tacky LED lights ruined what was a very quality attraction first installed in quite a quaint yet quality Theme Park. Another example, American Adventure. I was going through the thread the other day reminiscing, and whilst the park didn't have much to it, in it's hey day it was gorgeous.

And a case study for how this just doesn't work: Halloween. I think it was Electric Towers around Hallowe'en when I observed this but there were quite a lot of staff 'contributions' of theming. This theming being T*sco hallowe'en sets and the like. It really did make me cringe. It was a nice thought, as is this topic, but really it doesn't say 'quality theme park'. It says 'we can't afford to ask for anything else from actual theme makers so here's some miscellaneous bric-a-brac and crap to fill the space!'. Distracts from real theming and just leaves a worse impression.
 
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Re: The 'Duel in the Crown' Project

Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:48 am

I really agree.

I think that if this project was to go ahead, it should be a campaign to create more little pieces of theming; to urge the art department to take another look at every ride and make plans on how to improve them. Whether the art department already does this I don't know, but it would be really nice to see more of them.

For example, the skeleton bed effect from the Haunted House was recently rewired and now lits up again. That meant somebody made the effort to add/fix lighting and programme it to trigger when the car came past, etc. However, nobody has yet gone far enough to actually 'restore' the effect, as it does not move and has some dodgy attempt to hide the fact that the skeleton has no skull.

Why not fix the effect completely? Make a new one perhaps? Add brand new effects throughout the ride? Even redecorate/retheme certain scenes so that it makes sense again, if you want to go that far...

Perhaps Nemesis could have some lighting/sound installed that trigger on every dispatch?

Maybe evern Thirteen could have new details here and there, such as a body in a tree in the near distance?

They did this type of thing a few years ago with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and they used to do it all the time with the Haunted House back when it was new. It will still work now - small new touches that make a difference.

The problem is, this could just be seen as a waste of money because "only a minority of guests will notice the changes". There are many reasons as to why I disagree with this, but it could still be enough to put people of investment and keeping the rides as they are.

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