Tom G wrote:

First I've seen/heard of this Dark Forest launcher concept? Can anyone explain anymore? Is it the previously-abandoned Euro-Fighter Nathan was talking about?

"World's first vertical launch rollercoaster" would be a hook Alton Towers would furiously push as they so love to do. Not sure looking at the profile of the top of the vertical section that I can see this though.

bilvy man wrote:

stupid question but has the bh tent already been taken down?

themealgang wrote:

With regards to lap bars, would it even be possible to develop a lap bar system to cope with the level of intensity of those inversions? It looks like riders are going to throw around a hell of a lot more than inverting coasters that use lap bars only...

Nightfall wrote:

themealgang wrote:

With regards to lap bars, would it even be possible to develop a lap bar system to cope with the level of intensity of those inversions? It looks like riders are going to throw around a hell of a lot more than inverting coasters that use lap bars only...

Obviously you haven’t experienced Blue Fire's last inversion
A lap bar can withstand the same forces as an OTSR.

themealgang wrote:

Nightfall wrote:

themealgang wrote:

With regards to lap bars, would it even be possible to develop a lap bar system to cope with the level of intensity of those inversions? It looks like riders are going to throw around a hell of a lot more than inverting coasters that use lap bars only...

Obviously you haven’t experienced Blue Fire's last inversion
A lap bar can withstand the same forces as an OTSR.

Yes I have. My God- I felt like I was falling right out of my seat!

ryanyoxall wrote:

With people saying that throughput will be an issue with eurofighter trains and saying that AT should use trains like maverick and fahrenheit, I thought I would look up the throughput of them two coasters and both of them are less than 1000. Maverick = 936, Fahrenheit = 850 and Saw's throughput is 1000 so eurofighter cars wouldn't be so bad espically if the use 3 or 4 rows.

HAJiME wrote:

Anyone have a theory as to why the budget is so high? (I've heard £20 mill but not checked it myself.)

HAJiME wrote:

One other point I wanna bring up and ask you all to comment on is this... Why was there not so much as a squeak about X-Sector as a location for SW7? Or was there, and I missed the memo? I figure if anyone knew of such a rumour, it's someone here... Haha.

James wrote:

HAJiME wrote:

One other point I wanna bring up and ask you all to comment on is this... Why was there not so much as a squeak about X-Sector as a location for SW7? Or was there, and I missed the memo? I figure if anyone knew of such a rumour, it's someone here... Haha.

X-Sector was not originally planned to be the site of SW7. There were heavy rumours of the Air car park and the Flume site hosting SW7 although it seems over the past few months plans have had to be changed at the last minute and the 'original SW7' has been postponed/shelved. In effect, X-Sector is Plan B.

HAJiME wrote:

ryanyoxall wrote:

With people saying that throughput will be an issue with eurofighter trains and saying that AT should use trains like maverick and fahrenheit, I thought I would look up the throughput of them two coasters and both of them are less than 1000. Maverick = 936, Fahrenheit = 850 and Saw's throughput is 1000 so eurofighter cars wouldn't be so bad espically if the use 3 or 4 rows.

Thank you for checking the throughput numbers. I've been arguing that this is probably an Intamin mainly due to capacity reasons, but what you're forgetting is that SW7 does not have many block sections... Saw and other Gerst Eurofighters do, as do most coasters with single cars (okay so a Eurofighter isn't a single car but youknowwhatimean). The lack of block sections is what makes me suspect this is a type of coaster with a higher train capacity than either of the Eurofighter car designs (6 or 8 seats). It's totally possible Gerstlauer have designed a longer train, though.

My other main reason for suspecting it's Intamin is the cost. I just cannot fathom how you'd get a Gerstlaurer, Maurer or Zierer to cost that much... Anyone have a theory as to why the budget is so high? (I've heard £20 mill but not checked it myself.)

Of course, on top of that logic, I'm just silently hoping it's Intamin... Or Maurer, if I can't have Intamin. If it's Gerstlaurer, the fact of the matter is that it will be no where near the quality it could be. With Saw so close by, I've come to realise that Gerstlaurer rides vary drastically hour to hour, more so than other companies. At it's best, Saw is a good ride, at it's worst... It's frankly jellying terrible. The sensations from it vary so drastically I'd imagine if I were blind I'd not recognise it. Hearing people talk about Anubis, too... You get some who loved it and say it's smooth, and others who say it's absolutely dire and rough and horrid. I don't think it's just down to varying opinions, that's the ride varying drastically.

I rode Mystery Mine a few weeks back and it's not as bad as I was expecting. I was expecting it to be pretty damn awful, though. It fails to do anything Eurofighters do well and goes out of it's way to do everything they do badly, even messing up a perfectly good main drop by curving out to one side... And Eurofighters really, really cannot turn subtly. But it wasn't that rough at all. Part of me suspects that's down to usual Gerst varying depending on the temp, dampness... moon cycle? And part because Dollywood clearly look after their rides better than anyone else. Commenting on Mystery Mine in general though, it's fab. The theming standard is so outstanding high and it's an interesting and enjoyable ride with an outstanding finali, in case you cared what I think.

Anyway, I've gone on a tangent.

I think saying this is a confirmed Gerst Eurofighter is perhaps being a little bit over certain when there is plenty of evidence against it.

One other point I wanna bring up and ask you all to comment on is this... Why was there not so much as a squeak about X-Sector as a location for SW7? Or was there, and I missed the memo? I figure if anyone knew of such a rumour, it's someone here... Haha.

One final thing... OMG BATWING. <3! My favourite inversion.

Just my two pennies.

James wrote:

HAJiME wrote:

One other point I wanna bring up and ask you all to comment on is this... Why was there not so much as a squeak about X-Sector as a location for SW7? Or was there, and I missed the memo? I figure if anyone knew of such a rumour, it's someone here... Haha.

X-Sector was not originally planned to be the site of SW7. There were heavy rumours of the Air car park and the Flume site hosting SW7 although it seems over the past few months plans have had to be changed at the last minute and the 'original SW7' has been postponed/shelved. In effect, X-Sector is Plan B.

mezza wrote:

I find it hard to believe that this site hasn't been planned for a decent period:  the ride as it looks in the plans was clearly designed for nowhere other than the X Sector site - it uses the sloping ground of the site, and fits in with the other attractions and buildings around it.  Does it really only take a few months to design a ride like this?