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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:22 pm

".Will""][quote=""Blaze""][quote="".Will" wrote:
It does seem they have changed it since the first bits of information and pictures were released.

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Means nothing, remember how many different phases Thirteen had?[/quote]

Well yes but this ride hasn't been through any phases it was just said to be some apocalyptic theme centered around some battle scene where it is now about an invasion.

It is a little disappointing because I thought the initial concept was extremely good one of which hadn't been done before or at least not to my knowledge.

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I totally agree, the original concept hinted at something so much better than an alien invasion, but Thirteen went from exploring the unknown to riding a demon to whatever the hell it's supposed to be now. :P
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:28 pm

What was the original concept? I remember the mushroom cloud image and The End is Coming stuff, but I don't remember any more information than that. From what they have released today, for me it doesn't really deviate from anything, as I didn't know anything to begin with.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:42 pm

really excited by this project! i took my mobile internet to work today and went off to do a "toilet check" at 12, i just sat in the loo watching the video, getting goosebumps!

just been on thorpes website to book tickets for the opening and it says its an open ticket between certain dates, does this mean i get to pick which day i go, or will it work like the sun free tickets?
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:43 pm

I must not get carried away...I must not get carried away...

The name, although sounding a little iffy to me to start with is growing on me :). In all honesty, I'd rather The Swarm than some blatantly obvious name to do with devastation or a post apocalyptic world.

I absolutely love the video though, just enough to look at to get people excited whilst still retaining a tad of mystery as to the full storyline/theme of the ride. For most visitors who've probably seen absolutely nothing of the plans, the video should set things up nicely for the shock of seeing the plane and helicopter in the lake :).

Im trying not to get carried away with this due to some errr past Melrin additions, but this is looking absolutely world class - 2012 is looking to be an amazing year.

"Dylan" wrote:
What was the original concept? I remember the mushroom cloud image and The End is Coming stuff, but I don't remember any more information than that. From what they have released today, for me it doesn't really deviate from anything, as I didn't know anything to begin with.


I think this is the problem with 65 pages of discussion before it was even announced :P. There was always an assumption that we were looking at a nuclear apocalypse purely because of the mushroom cloud graphic and the end of the world viral marketing. Nothing has changed from the original marketing, it's purely because it's different to what a lot of people imagined.

On another note, what's the "missing wall" menu for on the website? It's not live yet, but I swear I've seen something on the net relating to LC12 about walls coming down in the past few months? Interesting nonetheless!

Roll on 2012!
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:24 pm

Anyone think that Merlin might re-use the main Raptor trailer for this come next March? Wouldn't be a massive surprise due to the similarities in theme and the opportunity for Merlin to cut costs, as they'd only need a different voiceover and a new graphic. Plus the Raptor ad was generally well received.

As for the name, I think The Swarm works, if the back story insinuates that this beast is one of many. In fact, they could imply that each of the trains is a different alien, all part of the larger swarm that has devastated the earth.
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:40 pm

Anybody else enjoying the About the Ride page:

"theswarm.co.uk" wrote:
War is Coming ... Book Online Now! Invite a Friend

I've asked around, but none of my friends want to volunteer over the internet for major conflict :wink:
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:50 pm

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

SO HAPPY IT IS NOT GEARS OF WAR, AND I LOVE THE NAME AND THE LOOK OF THE TRAIN AND THE THEME.


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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:33 pm

I love the name The Swarm, particularly the definite article at the beginning. If it was just "Swarm" it doesn't sound very grand or impressive at all, and just fits the tired cliche of one-word-name British rides (Oblivion, Nemesis, Air, Th13teen, Colossus).

Swarm doesn't have any rhythm at all, but The Swarm has a pleasing rhythmic quality to it, just like The Bounce at Oakwood. It also makes it much more grand. I think the definite article adds a mystique and certain foreboding to the name, that "Swarm" wouldn't have.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:48 pm

Interesting.

Looks promising.

I like the name, and agree with the poster above; unusually a definite article works here because it turns the noun into an event. Perfect start in creating a communicable - yet detailed - back story.

I've hardly followed any park project for a few years now. I presume they'll be improving on their past awful queue line experiences? Still waiting for a UK park to "get it" in this area. There should not be a cattle pen in sight.
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:56 pm

I must admit the name is starting to grow on me and I'm pretty sure when we know a little more about the background story it will start to all gel together.

When you look at this image: [url=http://www.theswarm.co.uk/lib/images/background.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://www.theswarm.co.uk/lib/images/background.jpg[/url] You see there is a swarm of somthing coming in. So it is starting to make sense a bit already.

It's another lagre scale investment for Thorpe Park and if this ride is backed with major national advertising, depending what happens at Alton Towers next year ride wise could mean that Thorpe end up pulling in rather large guest figures.

Let's not also forget one key thing here too - this name will have been, along with others tested with different groups of people. It's part of the marketing process, and you will find it will be somthing which is fitting with the ride, how it looks and it's background story.

From the plans, some of the themeing looks amazing, and I hope that the final product and ride are the same.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:07 pm

theres alot of things going around about the name

its simple i dont like the name that mush as a stand alone name but shurely its going to have a great back story to go with it so i will reserve judgement for then.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:32 pm

so on the video is that raptor at gardaland?
Nemesis will beat them all!

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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:41 pm

"gazag" wrote:
theres alot of things going around about the name

its simple i dont like the name that mush as a stand alone name but shurely its going to have a great back story to go with it so i will reserve judgement for then.
Never assume they'll be a mystical meaning to anything. Quiet often there just isn’t.

Be a pessimist. It's much more fun to discover a well planned back-story than to assume there is one and come down with Th13teen syndrome :wink:


Anyway the site of an apocalyptic island with some sort of alien flying over head seems like all the back-story they need. It’s the end of the world and this creature, which by going by the promo looks like it’s either part of or made up of a swarm of many other creatures, seems to be the cause. Why does there need to be anything more? Let people interpret their own story.
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:02 pm

"Blaze" wrote:
The theme is a bit of a cop-out, in the same way that Raptor is, especially having the train as the alien. Why the hell would I willingly go ride an alien and why the hell is it on a track? It's so stupid?


I never really understand the idea that rollercoaster theme's have to make sense, nemesis is an Alien and its one of the best executed themed rides in the country.

You could be the alien, you may be being carried by it, who knows, anyway although a ride should have a great backstory it doesn't have to practically fit 100% with the ride experience. It really just needs to set a mis en scen. I quite like suspending my imagination.

As for the name, i think its disappointing but could be a lot worse. And the theme of the ride if it is pulled off well by Merlin will be amazing, just think Merlin need to get the old southern comfort out when making up these names again.

My only gripe and its the same one i have had since the plans where released is the ride is too short, yes its tall but going by No-Limits simulations its not a long ride, i really would kill for a merlin park to have a Mid-Course-Break, with Thorpes opportunity for Height there is no reason not to :P
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:19 pm

I like the name. A swarm is an everyday occurence. The Swarm implies it's something to be feared.

On the flip side, I'm a tad disappointed that it's not based on nuclear armageddon.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:38 pm

I'd say this is likely to be a Gears of War franchise product as well. As Nathan has said, the stylisation is virtually identical - Merlin can prepare for legal action if it is not the case. A new game is planned for release later this year, and a film is also rumoured to be in the works.

I have not been on Raptor but I can tell from the various videos that I would find it too gentle and slow. I'm hoping this has more bite, but even if it doesn't, with its unique first drop and supposed near-hit points, it should still be a great experience.
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:17 pm

I think this is actually looking really good. I personally feel that the build up has been well done as I really don't think anyone would have thought of this as the final outcome. The earlier promotional images seemed to just edge us simply on the direction that the theme will be without giving much away. If they had just left it as an apocalypse then that would have been a pretty poor build up as we knew exactly what it would have been basically from the start. Revealing this now works very well I think.

Onto the theme itself I think that it carries a lot of potential to be something truly amazing. I know people will be annoyed that the coaster is pretending to be something else but it really does add a lot more purpose as to why the ride is actually there. It seems to enhance the ride by giving it more purpose to what you are actually doing there as riding around in a "swarm" (of whatever).

This is a very unique theme which we still know little about the details and it would be nice if most of it was kept unknown until you actually ride it compared to knowing it before you ride it (even though it is pretty obvious as to whats happening).

As for the name I do like it. It's a pretty unconventional way to name a ride and adds loads more to the story of the ride and integrates it together much more. However it does seem like they are over complicating it too much. The theme looks like it involves a lot of understanding of the details of the story to understand the experience, though now I say this I think of Nemesis which is just as complicated but it's mostly obvious to whats happening so I'll have to see how it turns out in the end.

Overall I am very impressed with how this is going. A fantastic move for Thorpe adding a big focus on themeing and hopefully it should go all to plan.

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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:25 pm

For those following the construction itself I would expect things to pick up in the park now...

Fancy construction walls are due now the marketing has really started.
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:46 pm

Let the proper Hype begin! :P

all excited now! I just imagined the part of the queue which appears to go underground looking like my random failed RCT experiment I posted here ages ago!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ4NY52KGjQ&list=UUgLDyiOeeBxM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ4NY52K ... LDyiOeeBxM[/url]

Doubt it'll happen but would be amazing! I'll have to incorporate it into my semi-recreation! :lol:
 
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Re: Thorpe Park 2012: The Swarm

Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:35 am

I don't think they ever changed the concept of the nuclear war etc.
The original LC12.net always said "They're coming", so it was obvious that some type of invasion was going to be involved.

As for the nuclear cloud, perhaps the swarm was caused by a nuclear accident? A swarm of super mutant insects are flying around killing everyone? Because unless these bugs had some kind of lazer beam eyes, how would they have destroyed a whole "world". that part of the story would probably have happened in an explosion beforehand. And also the line "it appears there's been an incident" in the video. A swarm of bugs zapping people isn't really an incident, an explosion, however, is.

Also at around :20 secs in, it shows the woman screaming, trapped with the train (with illumintaed eyes!) so I'd assume that implies the ride revolves around this swarm trapping inocent humans

Just my radnom late night musings anyway, it could mean anything I suppose.

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