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Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:19 pm

For British Theme Parks in 2021...Mmm...Drayton and LWV may rise up in fame among the GP, it makes me laugh though that although many see smaller parks like Camelot or others shutting down. What about M&D's? That deserves to be shut! :P

For Scotland in 2021, who knows, maybe Merlin will see Scotland as a prime target for their world domination, currently Edinburgh Dungeons remains their Northern outpost.

The day Merlin builds a theme park in Scotland that is world class and shuts downs M&D's is the day I support Merlin, despite other infamous scams recently. :-$
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Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:02 pm

I can see the logic in suggesting that Thorpe could be getting 4-5 million visitors in 10 years time, given their location and all. However, I can not see that happening. As has already been mentioned, it was suggested 5 or 6 years back that Thorpe would overtake Alton in visitor numbers by 2010, but they didn't even come close. Also, it isn't just about the visitor numbers, especially if they don't spend any money whilst on the park. Also focusing on one target market will not bring those extra guests in.

In 10 years time, I see Alton Towers as still the major theme park in the Merlin Group, with visitor numbers still averaging around the 2.5 million mark., with the 3 million mark hit on one or 2 occasions. There will be one, possibly two coasters that rival Nemesis & Oblivion. There will be a 3rd Hotel, and the beginnings of a Log Cabin Village. The older flat rides such as Blade, Enterprise, Submission & Ripsaw are now long gone. I would think the gate price would be around £55 walk up price, which would be standard price for all Merlin parks. Parking will be £12

Thorpe will see visitor numbers grow, possibly to around 2-2.2 million, but they still suffer from the infrastructure problems and difficulty in handling large crowds. The Dome will be long gone and there will be a new entrance Plaza. There will no doubt of been plenty of new attractions over the 10 years, but it will be regarded by enthusiasts as the Thrill Seekers seaside resort than isn't by the Sea.

Chessington & Legoland will still be going, but I feel one of them will of been off-loaded to another group. Quite possibly Legoland, even though it was part of the original Merlin Group. Chessington will of had plenty of investment later on in the decade, and may well be well on the way to being the Alton Towers of the South by installing a couple of high profile attractions aimed towards the adults of the family.

Blackpool will still be going. Still in private ownership, but there is the possibility that at some point there had been an attempt by Merlin to buy it, but were thwarted my the Competition Commission, or whatever name it goes by. They will of had plenty of investment early in the decade, but the last few years had seem this dry up, and there had been nothing new since 2017, but they will be enjoying a lot of success with the installation of another huge coaster that dwarfs the Big One. Visitor numbers will recover, though no where near the alleged 6 million plus which was the norm pre Pay one Price. On the gate price would be around £45-£50, and there will no longer be the entrance only pass, with everyone paying the one price, regardless of if they intend to use any attractions. Average parking costs in Blackpool will exceed £15-£20 on premium days.

Drayton should do well, and they will finally take a leaf out of Alton Towers' book and change their recruitment process to ensure they get some decent people employed. They will be second only to Alton Towers in terms of guest satisfaction and appeal to the family market, but they will still like that killer Roller Coaster, or the killer marketing strategy for an average coaster, which will have people visiting in droves.

LWV will still have a cult following. There will, like Blackpool Pleasure Beach, be continued investment early in the decade, but minimal amount leading up to 2020-2021, leaving it still trailing a long way behind it's neighbour, Flamingo Land. FL expanded its holiday park and now has Log Cabins and Tipi's and are planning a hotel. Continued investment see it as a popular choice for holiday makers in the region, but will still be let down by poor staff and capacity issues in peak periods.

Camelot will be long gone, after a few more years of Last ever seasons. Knightmare will eventually make it's way to LWV after a brief spell at Pleasurewood Hills.

All in all, parks will be in quite good shape, and with flying becoming ever more expensive, many more people will choose to stay in the UK, thinking it will be cheaper, but then realising afterwards it still would of been cheaper to holiday abroad. This staycation will continue to provide a boost to the UK parks.
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:06 pm

"QTXAdsy" wrote:
For Scotland in 2021, who knows, maybe Merlin will see Scotland as a prime target for their world domination, currently Edinburgh Dungeons remains their Northern outpost.

The day Merlin builds a theme park in Scotland that is world class and shuts downs M&D's is the day I support Merlin, despite other infamous scams recently. :-$

Unfortunately I can't see Merlin ever opening a new park in the UK generally, let alone Scotland; I think Loudouns demise is testemony to the fact that the weather and attendences just wouldn't play ball.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them open a series of Lego Discovery centre-like mini indoor theme parks, similar maybe to Metroland, kinda the way Tesco makes a fortune off it's 'you've got no other choice sucker' small metro branches. That said, I see it as a formality that either FL or LWV will go the way of Merlin, to give it a Northern outpost. The better money would be on LWV.
 
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Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:09 pm

"Slappy McGuire""][quote=""QTXAdsy" wrote:
For Scotland in 2021, who knows, maybe Merlin will see Scotland as a prime target for their world domination, currently Edinburgh Dungeons remains their Northern outpost.

The day Merlin builds a theme park in Scotland that is world class and shuts downs M&D's is the day I support Merlin, despite other infamous scams recently. :-$

Unfortunately I can't see Merlin ever opening a new park in the UK generally, let alone Scotland; I think Loudouns demise is testemony to the fact that the weather and attendences just wouldn't play ball.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them open a series of Lego Discovery centre-like mini indoor theme parks, similar maybe to Metroland, kinda the way Tesco makes a fortune off it's 'you've got no other choice sucker' small metro branches. That said, I see it as a formality that either FL or LWV will go the way of Merlin, to give it a Northern outpost. The better money would be on LWV.[/quote]

...Mmm...

I know I maybe letting of the safety valve and a bit off topic but is their anything in Scotland us Scots can be happy off? :| Should we just give being coaster enthusiasts and become railway heritage workers, only time when Britain is the leader in that field!
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:13 am

Nearly everyones suggestions for lwv suggest new trains for the ultimate. Are those just suggestions or is this actually going to happen? Im very protective over the ultimate as it was my first large scale coaster :)
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:02 pm

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Are those just suggestions or is this actually going to happen?


Somewhere in between; it's a strong rumour. :)

I don't want them to do anything with it, personally, though.
 
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:52 pm

You all forgot to mention Merlin owned parks will probably be over the £50 mark for tickets!
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:43 pm

"seanyboyuk" wrote:
You all forgot to mention Merlin owned parks will probably be over the £50 mark for tickets!

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I'm sure it's "Where can you see British parks in 2021", not "Where can you see the prices and extortion of British parks in 2021" :roll:


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And anyway. Yes, people have already mentioned it.
 
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:31 pm

"seanyboyuk" wrote:
You all forgot to mention Merlin owned parks will probably be over the £50 mark for tickets!

Yes, they definitely will be. But only due to inflation. Even if the prices stayed exactly as they are now RELATIVE to the rate of inflation, they'll have reached £50 by 2021. Didn't Towers used to be about a fiver to get in around the early 90's?
 
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Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:12 pm

"seanyboyuk" wrote:
You all forgot to mention Merlin owned parks will probably be over the £50 mark for tickets!


I mentioned it. :). I recall suggesting they would be about £55 for entry in to Merlin Parks.

Sam, Towers was around a fiverto get in in the mid eighties. I remember the 1993 price being around £13-£15. Though there were limited number of vouchers around for 1/2 price entry. I still have one somewhere.
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:36 pm

If merlin acquired a more northern outpost, I wonder if the'd split the Merlin pass...

I have a theory whereby decades are cyclical, and mirror the events and nature of the events of it's mirror decades. I think it is split into the decade of us, the decade of me, and the decade of them. To illustrate, the eighties and the tens are the decade of 'me' - whereby people are selfish, the noughties mirror the seventies and is the period of 'them' whereby people start to actively dislike each other, and the decadence of the forthcoming decade starts to form, as people are much more willing to sell others short. The sixties, nineties and hopefully the twenties, should be the period of 'us', whereby people scarred by the selfishness of the previous decade begin to aspire, and for a short period, work together and achieve magnificent things...

on that basis I predict:

In a nutshell - Alton, much the same as now for the first few years, but then a corkscrew aping behemoth arrives, and the park is cool again, but as the 20's push on, the park aspires again to almost Disney levels by installing a ride as significant as Nemmie.

Thorpe, I expect to follow the path of Blackpool; cool for a while, with some impressive rides, but the cracks begin to show, for the years that will follow, and it will be clear that the best days are possibly behind the park.

Chessie I expect to become more resort like, and return to it's zoo origins, with the themepark being more of a support show, rather than main event.

Drayton will remain in Alton's shadow, always hinting at greatness, but then kicking you in the goolies for believing. Fancy they'll install a decent new dark ride though.

Blackpool. Hmm. While not quite going the way of Spanish City, I think it is clear the rot will have set in, and fancy the removal of maybe up to three classic rides, without significant replacement. NicKland will have become the more brand unspecific FunLand.

Flamingoland will go downhill, it will spend money on rides that tick boxes, at the expense of the look and feel of the park. Becomes very Thorpe-like, possibly leading to Merlin picking it up for far less than its real value. Wouldn't be surprised to see a rebrand if that happened.

Camelot is housing, Pleasure island and Fantasy island are not much more than seaside funfairs, with the majority of the major rides having been closed or migrated.

LWV will install a decent dark, install a decent looper, and seem on the verge of becoming again a park with real clout, and then blow the inheritance on a ride it clearly can't afford, and spend the next two decades paying for it.

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Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:53 pm

Alton Towers:

SW7 was a huge sucess and jumped straight into the top 20 of the mitch hawker poll, consider by many the best coaster in the UK since Nemesis. The park atttracts around 5.3 million guests a year, speculation for SW9 is underway and the 4th hotel has just opened, a lower budget log cabin style accomodation.

Thorpe Park:

LC12 was a slight dissapointment, with unexpected downtime and lack of landscaping and all around theming. Merlin have announced plans for a high speed railway between thorpe and chessy, which comes with a 2 parks in 1 ticket of (if seperate addmission for both parks is £45) £55. Thorpe Park Station, a London underground station is now providing easy access from anywhere in London, has meant almost 5 million people visit the park each year.

Lightwater Valley:

Is now one of the UKs main theme parks, attracting 1.8 million guests a year. All of the park is now in world class themed areas, and a holiday village and premier inn provide overnight acommodation.

Flamingoland:

Realising they can't compete theme park wise with LWV, have become a thrill park and are now home to the UK's fastest rollercoaster.

Pleasure Island:

Couldn't survive without being owned by FL and had to become a part time park (Camelot) but in 2013/14/15 was bought by a wealthy investor and since Fantasy Island's closure, have become quite a decent park. Yearly attendance is around 600,000.

Drayton Manor:

Probably the largest non Merlin park in the UK, G Force was replaced by a Mack prototype that became a huge sucess. 1.7 million guests a year.

Oakwood:

Brought by a wealthy investor and now with another world class woodie and a B&M. Opened it's own railway station with quick links to Cardiff, Bristol and Birmingham.

Camelot, Fantasy Island and M&Ds:

Closed.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:06 pm

I'm sure SW9 will be open by 2021. If SW7 opens in 2013/2014, surely the next one will be open, and SW10 will probably be coming soon at this point.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:29 pm

SW7: 2013/14
SW8: 2018
SW9: 2022

Well that's my guess of when they'll open.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:42 pm

Excuse me, I just missed the number 8 completely, your dates are what I expect, but by 9 and 10, I meant 8 and 9. #-o
 
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:09 am

Thought I would do this, to give my opinions on how the next 10 years will 'hopefully' be for the parks.


Pleasure Beach Resort, Blackpool
We see a rename back to Blackpool Pleasure Beach, keeping the current logos used around the park. We see the removals of Steeplechase, Big Dipper, Gold Mine, Irn Bru Revolution, Tom Sawyer Bridge and Ice Blast. A full re-theme of River Caves is undertaken, bringing it back to its former glory, the ride remaining closed for a whole season to allow work.

The Big One receives a complete re-profile, giving it a new edge on the UK coasters allowing for a much better through-put. We see Morgan on park giving a new layout to the back end (post-MCBR) on the Big One, allowing for the first time in years a 3 or even 4 train operation. Park visitor numbers slightly decrease then increase during the 2nd half of the decade with the addition of a number of new flat rides.

With the success of Nickelodeon Land we see expansion onto the site of the now removed Irn Bru Revolution, bringing a new family coaster into the park in the shape of a Vekoma Junior Boomerang. Other new rides in the park are a Mack Launch Coaster replacing the Big Dipper & Steeplechase, allowing for a much bigger footprint and themed around a factory setting. A new Shot & Drop tower is to replace Ice Blast, allowing for that rare Shot & Drop Combo feature. Other flat rides are introduced as profits from the park increase.

Also news of the ill-fated removal of Infusion rattles around the enthusiast world, with downtime striking the ride now on a weekly basis. After the promised money for a revamp of Infusion is spent revamping Valhalla taking it into a new level, Infusion is left to rot in its spot, operating at its best possible whilst still struggling to last a week without being broken down or E-Stopping.


Alton Towers
SW7 goes down with huge success and we see visitor numbers increase dramatically, with the park passing the 4 million mark. We see the construction of SW8 which brings yet another concept to the park, and giving the park a much bigger exposure within the industry. A number of new flat rides are introduced including the removal and replacement of Marauders Mayhem with a Mack Twist & Splash themed around Pirates Bay. We also see expansions to resort facilities.


Drayton Manor
We see the removal of G-Force after an incident which takes a huge dent in the park's reputation. We see a Mack Concept Coaster replacing G-Force and bringing the reputation back up to park. Along side the area of Apocalypse we see a Mack E-Motion Coaster take shape, themed around an industrial style, and a rename of Apocalypse and restyle to fit in with the E-Motion.


Flamingoland
We see the removal of Mumbo Jumbo, and a major accident hit the Velocity Coaster,. We see removal of Corkscrew and the addition of the long awaited wooden coaster the park's been teasing about. We also see a bunch of new flat rides introduced into the park.


Light Water Valley
The park becomes the number 2 Non-Merlin park within the UK, seeing visitor numbers rocket past expectations from worldwide theme park communities. We see the addition of a number of permanent flat rides within the park, along with a medium scale GCI Wooden Coaster along side the Eagles Claw. We see a shock move when the park purchases a Mission Space style ride from KMG built directly for the park.


Fantasy Island/Pleasure Island/Pleasurewood Hills
Both parks close, with rides from each being sent to parks around the world.


American Adventure
We see the return of the American Adventure, with a shock return of the Missile, now named Wipeout carrying the same colour scheme that it had at its old park. The ride has received a revamp and is working at its optimum now in a new position. We also see country wide acceptance for the return of the park, with special enthusiast days happening annually.


Thorpe Park
With LC12 being a marginal success we see the construction and opening of LC15, which in a shock turn brings park visitor numbers down. We see the removal of SAW: Alive & SAW: The Ride after accidents strike the ride and a subsidence under the lift area. We see the revamp of both Colossus and Stealth, with Nemesis: Inferno receiving a re-theme to fit with Amity Cove as it becomes a dominant theme throughout the park.


Southend Adventure Island
We see the park close its doors, and Rage being moved to a park in France.
 
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:21 pm

"Ritadz""]SW7 was a huge sucess and jumped straight into the top 20 of the mitch hawker poll, consider by many the best coaster in the UK since Nemesis.[/quote][quote=""AdamJ" wrote:
SW7 goes down with huge success and we see visitor numbers increase dramatically
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"Ritadz""]LC12 was a slight dissapointment, with unexpected downtime and lack of landscaping and all around theming.[/quote][quote=""AdamJ" wrote:
With LC12 being a marginal success we see the construction of LC15, which in a shock turn brings park visitor numbers down.


Of course, no bias there! :P

They are all being done by practically the same people, bear in mind.
 
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:15 pm

"electricBlll""][quote=""Ritadz""]SW7 was a huge sucess and jumped straight into the top 20 of the mitch hawker poll, consider by many the best coaster in the UK since Nemesis.[/quote][quote=""AdamJ" wrote:
SW7 goes down with huge success and we see visitor numbers increase dramatically
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"Ritadz""]LC12 was a slight dissapointment, with unexpected downtime and lack of landscaping and all around theming.[/quote][quote=""AdamJ" wrote:
With LC12 being a marginal success we see the construction of LC15, which in a shock turn brings park visitor numbers down.


Of course, no bias there! :P

They are all being done by practically the same people, bear in mind.
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LOL I never noticed that until now. Tbh I can't see LC12 or LC15 being any good for Thorpe, yet I can see SW7/8 being huge hitters for AT.
 
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:09 pm

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A fairly simple yet potentially interesting thread (hopefully) here. :) Quite simply, where can you see certain British theme parks in a decade’s time? Not the British theme park industry as a whole... but the individual parks. I expect we'll have a real mixture of opinions here! :)

My views:-
Alton Towers - Will see a slight fall in visitor figures overall over the next ten years, but will improve as a theme park. SW7 will probably be a hit, and start attracting teenagers back to the park; and a new ride will be installed in the Black Hole tent and there will also be some smaller changes... perhaps an extension of Cloud Cuckoo Land into Coaster Corner?

Thorpe Park - Will continue in the direction in which it is currently headed, and will see a rise in visitor figures. However, the 2015 coaster will be panned by enthusiasts for being a lazy ride with little theming. Several flat rides will also be installed across the park.

Chessington - Will receive some much required attention, receiving a new coaster or two as well as some new family rides (one on the Rodeo site) and Tomb Blaster will be overhauled, replaced by a new ghost train. Rameses Revenge will be moved elsewhere (probably Thorpe) and replaced with another family flat.

Legoland - Will start to lose visitors to Chessington after Merlin fail to continue their investment in the park, but will eventually wake up and install a family mine train and a new dark ride.

Lightwater Valley - Will see the largest percentage rise in gate figures, with two new coasters and a permanent rapids ride being installed. The Ultimate will get new trains to satisfy H&S.

Flamingo Land - Will suffer from Lightwater Valley's rise in popularity and start to struggle; they may build a new coaster or two in an attempt to bring guests back.

Drayton Manor - Will start to become more like Chessington, with an emphasis on well themed family attractions, rather than attempting to compete with Alton Towers. G-Force will close, and be replaced with a Vekoma Mine Train. The Haunting and Wild West Shoot Out will close and a Haunted House will open on that site.

Pleasure Beach Blackpool - Will continue to see a fall in visitor numbers, and either invest heavily in a 'The Bigger One' or possibly go bust.

Camelot - Will go bust. Probably in the next couple of years.


Obviously this is all very vague, and just my opinion, so, what do you think? :)


Oh, i hope pleasure beach dosent go bust :( Its my favorite park, I love everything about it. Its got charactor & charm, good rides & entertainment, & Id be realy, realy upset if that happened :(
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Re: Where can you see British theme parks in 2021?

Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:09 pm

"Blaze" wrote:
I'm sure SW9 will be open by 2021. If SW7 opens in 2013/2014, surely the next one will be open, and SW10 will probably be coming soon at this point.


By the time we get SW10 they'll have probably bought land off JCB and built a second theme park I bet.

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