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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:26 am

Very sorry to hear this. Hope everyone who was injured recovers soon and the ride can be looked at properly.

If a staff member did cock up as Craig suggested, not good.. but I hope it wasn't human error.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:32 am

It's a great shame to hear of this happening, lets hope everyone is alright and it was a basic error and not something resulting in people losing jobs or even worse the ride being closed.
 
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:36 am

Oh dear, I have no love for BPB, but this is terrible news.

Theme Park incidents are terrible, and I hope that everyone involved will be ok. Its not often that incidents like this happen.

No point speculated right not.
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:37 am

All i can think of is maybe the front car didnt gather enough speed to make it over one of the hills and ended up rolling back and colliding with another car? Because if it was in a controlable area which could have stopped the cars colliding, im sure staff would have.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:07 am

What an awful thing to happen, thoughts are with those involved & the ride team...

Either someone's made a cockup or the block system failed...
 
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:38 am

"Hark" wrote:
Either someone's made a cockup or the block system failed...


I don't believe there is a block system, at least not an automatic one. If I remember right, the Dipper still uses manual breaks, with a big breaking stick someone has to pull. Whereas the Nash uses computer braking, which is why it has all it's problems when entering the station. I might be talking rubbish, can anyone second me on this?

I can easily imagine a situation where bored, tired staff don't notice the first train hasn't returned to the hops, and just send the second one out without thinking.
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:45 am

"STC""][quote=""Hark" wrote:
Either someone's made a cockup or the block system failed...


I don't believe there is a block system, at least not an automatic one. If I remember right, the Dipper still uses manual breaks, with a big breaking stick someone has to pull. Whereas the Nash uses computer braking, which is why it has all it's problems when entering the station. I might be talking rubbish, can anyone second me on this?

I can easily imagine a situation where bored, tired staff don't notice the first train hasn't returned to the hops, and just send the second one out without thinking.[/quote]

I have never seen anyone use that lever.
 
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:52 am

The Dippers breaks are manual using a demon leaver controlled by a ride op. If human error or breaking error are to blame for this, I think it's safe to assume Dipper will get Nash style breaks.
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:28 am

All the overnight reports are suggesting that two cars(trains) have crashed in to each other. This has also been suggested by eye witnesses, some of whom were on the ride.

If the accident has occured out on the circuit, as it obviously had, at the final turnaround, then something has gone badly wrong.

North west News have said that one train got stuck (stalled), and the other train crashed in to it.
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:30 am

An update from the Gazette's website including a video interview with one of the rescue teams:

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/black ... 5545164.jp

Dozens hurt as ride crashes


Published Date:
12 August 2009
By Helen Steel
DOZENS of people have been injured in a horror crash at Blackpool Pleasure Beach.
Two cars on the Big Dipper crashed into each other – 20ft in the air – just before 8pm last night and more than 30 people had to be lifted to safety by specialist firefighter teams.

Paramedics took 21 people to Blackpool Victoria Hospital – three with serious injuries, including a teenage boy.

Firefighters used stretchers, spine boards and neck collars to rescue the 32 people from the ride.

They had received a call from a member of the public on nearby Burlington Road, who had heard a huge crash from the Pleasure Beach.

Paramedics were already at the scene.

Specialist rope crews were called in to evacuate people trapped on the famous rollercoaster.

Pleasure Beach staff had already managed to rescue 11 people from the stricken ride.

Injuries suffered by those involved in the crash ranged from broken bones to, cuts, bruises whiplash and back and neck strains.

Police guarded the park and the Promenade was closed for more than an hour during the aftermath of the crash.

Some of the walking wounded were moved to the Ocean Boulevard branch of Burger King and treated there.

The Big Dipper is closed following the incident.

Onlookers told of their shock as they heard young boys screaming for help after the two cars collided on the famous rollercoaster.

Stephen Jones, who had travelled to the park from Willenhall in the West Midlands, with his wife Karen, said: "We were about to leave when we heard a huge smash and a young boy screaming from the back, "get me out of here!"

"We didn't know what to do, we couldn't help as they were so high up, but within minutes the ambulance was there, as well as fire crews.
"There was a massive crowd and we soon realised how serious it was after people were taken down on stretchers.

"It was shocking witnessing it all."

And Matt Hazard, a 25 year-old teacher from Henbury, Bristol, who was visiting the Pleasure Beach with his brother Ryan, 26, told of the shock and confusion after the accident.

He said: "We were in the queue for a ride nearby when we heard a huge commotion and screaming.

"We looked behind and there were people screaming, we thought people could have died.

"Everything was a blur, but the fire and ambulance service were there in minutes, and they were fantastic, as were Pleasure Beach staff.

"We were asked to leave by an emergency exit, and security guards came and blocked the entrances, with police cars surrounding the park.

"It was surreal, but I'm so glad it wasn't worse and nobody was killed."

It is believed the front carriage stopped suddenly before being hit by the second train, which then rolled backwards.

South Shore fire station manager, Mark Alderson, said: "There was obviously great concern when we arrived as some people had family members up on the ride.

"When crews got there, both cars remained on the tracks but were stationary, approximately 20ft high.

"There was no-one in the second car and 11 people had been safely evacuated by site staff before we arrived. There were 21 people of different ages in the front car.

"Many were extremely upset and distressed."

Mr Alderson said: "Our crews were able to safely escort most people off the ride by guiding them down the tracks, providing physical support and reassurance that we would get them safely down."

The casualties were assessed at the Pleasure Beach by ambulance crews and 21 people were taken to hospital.

A police spokesman said: "We retained a presence there and closed off the roads until 9.15pm."

The Health and Safety Executive has now launched an investigation into the crash.

There have been no serious accidents on the Big Dipper, which was originally built in 1923, and reaches speeds of 60 mph and heights of 60ft.

A spokesman for Pleasure Beach Blackpool said: "Investigations are under way to establish the cause of an incident which occurred on the Big Dipper.

"Emergency services attended the incident. There were 32 riders in total. The emergency services treated 13 passengers at the scene.

"Pleasure Beach, Blackpool is cooperating fully with the emergency services and the Health and Safety Executive."

Christopher Sherratt, 11, died after falling from the Space Invader ride in July 2000.

Weeks after the youngster was killed 14 people were injured during a collision on The Big One.

The Big Dipper was first built in 1923 by John Miller.

In 1936, Charlie Paige and Joe Emberton extended the ride, adding arches over the south entrance of the park and additional drops.
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:33 am

BBC say a train became 'jammed on the rails'. Sounds like, and I hate to say this, the first train was caught on the anti-rollback device before the turnaruond, the ride ops released the other car and in went into the back of the first one. Really don't like this, I love the PB, and was looking forward to going on the Dipper in a couple of weeks. Looks like everyone's OK, though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_03rhX-s-M&feature=fvsr
Personally I reckon the first train got stuck at the rollback device at 1:47. Just a theory, mind.

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Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:55 am

Really sorry to hear about this. Hopefully everyone will recover quickly.
Must have been traumatic for the guests and staff. Thanks to everyone for keeping us updated.
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:21 am

A rescuers account of the crash scene indicate that one train has crashed in to the back of another, which had become stationary.

If this is the case, how were there 2 trains on the circuit at the same time? even if the second train had been despatched early,( Rescuers say it was empty when they arrived) surely there was more than enough time to stop it on the lift when it became apparent that the first train still hadn't come in to view?
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:28 am

Although it's too early to jump to conclusions, it does seem to have been 'human error'.
 
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:14 pm

Just been on BBC red button on sky. It says one of the trains got stuck, the other when into the back. 8-[
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:20 pm

Already been mentioned above. It has been confirmed that one train went in to the back of the other, which had stalled. 1 person had to be cut free from the back of the first train.

The second train was believed to of been empty at the time.

The park is open as normal today, obviously with Dipper closed. There was speculation this morning that the park wouldn't open today.
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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:35 pm

This really is awful, and I hope that everyone is ok, and the injured make quick recoveries.

It looks like there were two trains on the track at the same time, one of them had stalled, and the second train crashed into the back of the first train. There should not have been two trains on the track though, and as Vik said, they could have even stopped the second train on the lift hill once they had seen that the first train hadn't made it round the track. So it does look like human error.
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:41 pm

I'm at work atm, and just a few minutes ago I was grabbing some lunch when this came on the (BBC) news. A few of us gathered round to watch.
They were showing footage PMBO! :P I pointed this out to those around me, one of whom turned out to be a news producer. He said he would rectify the situation!
 
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:54 pm

Some footage of the rescue on the BBC website:

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Re: Big Dipper Incident @ Pleasure Beach Blackpool

Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:12 pm

There doesn't seem to be any damage to either train despite them colliding. I'm wondering if the main part of the injuries sustained were caused by the first train jolting violently to a halt.

Serious questions must be raised over this as many people have pointed out having two trains on the circuit is humanly possible but never happens. That turn around causes an alarm to go off meaning the second train can be sent. When the other train arrives back into station the second train is usually just going under it to the turn around before the lift. How on earth was that second train allowed to leave the lift hill meaning the first train having not returned in a 3-4 minute window. That cries human error to me and a catastrophically stupid one at that.
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