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Re: Strange Coasters

Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:45 pm

This coaster called Excalibur at Valley Fair! looks like an absolute death trap. Built by Arrow in 1989, it carries the infamous "special coaster systems" label which also applies to Steeplechase and Matterhorn Bobsleds.

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Steel track and wood supports.

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Oh god NO.

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Was this designed on Paint...?

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As usual with crap designed Arrow coasters, the first drop had to have trims put on it and most of the rest reprofiled after a few years to stop it beating itself to death.

This coaster reminds me of three things. Either those quirky "backyard" coasters that are around like the backyard woodie. Or one of those ghetto coasters in North Korea or somewhere like that which look like a train of dead riders waiting to happen. Finally let's be honest, it's basically an American Ultimate. :lol:
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:41 pm

"Sam!" wrote:
Steel track and wood supports.

Nice bit of backwards thinking there Arrow :P .

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Now is it me or do those supports appear to be flexing and leaning a little too much?

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Was this designed on Paint...?

Well it is Arrow so it wouldn't surprise me.

I've just noticed something else. Does anyone think the top of the lift hill, just as the drop begins, looks like its colapsed or damaged?
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:08 am

To be fair on Arrow they were a bit like B&M are today. As John Wardley said in his interview involving the vampire "I always dreamed of designing an Arrow roller coaster" (or something like that)
It's just that Arrow tried making the most manic and bizarre idea they could come up with and B&M create a design and stick with it to try and perfect it.
In 1989 it would have been quite an advanced roller coaster.
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:24 pm

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To be fair on Arrow they were a bit like B&M are today.

How were they like B&M are today...? You're making the point that Arrow were wildly experimental and hit-and-miss - B&M today and always have been the exactly opposite of that. B&M are very conservative in their ride designs, even more so these days. The last thing they actually changed was the hyper seating arrangements (big woop) and before that, the flier almost a decade ago.

Here's a shuttle loop coaster powered by "human power". I have absolutely no idea how that works, I presume it is hoisted up one of the towers and then set free. Tis' in Nepal.

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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:48 pm

Sorry I should have made my last post clearer.

I meant that when a new ride was being designed people wanted arrow to design it as most coasters had huge faults but the arrow ones were innovative.

Now people want to see a B&M (like with people wanting them to make SW6) because they design good quality rides that... well you know why people like B&M.


The point was that although the two companies were completely different they have both had a time when people would want them to design a ride rather than someone else.

Nice find above, I would never thought a human powered ride would have a loop in it.
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:57 pm

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Here's a shuttle loop coaster powered by "human power".


Very very wierd.
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:40 pm

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Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:47 am

As far as I remember its manually winched up to the top! So theres a bloke whos job it is to turn a huge handle to drag it up there, must be tiring.
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:09 pm

"nickdaegg""][quote=""Miles Hi" wrote:
This one isn´t that wierd, but it looks awesome!
It has a 12 min lift hill and a brake for the one person cars.
It´s not in RCDB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUngX0wyR0


That's what's known in German as a Sommerrodelbahn. They're amazing contraptions! I've been on two - one tracked, and one in a tube-slide style thing, both at the same place in Bavaria. Great fun! :D[/quote]

not quite - the sommerrodelbahn is the on e like a toboggan run, in a half metal tube thing - like the one at oakwood - the tracked one above is an alpine coaster

ps - my entry to the strange coaster thread - would be steeplechase at BPB
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:52 pm

It's not a Strange Coasters topic without some photos silly!

A triple-racing single rail 'special coaster system' from Arrow.

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Speaking of Pax, they have a new coaster "under construction" called Cobra at an unknown little Swiss park, Conny-Land. Like the one Kryn posted, it has a very strange "unreal" quality, and the track looks very serpentine.

It's finally testing, and still looks totally barmy. Shame about the poor video quality.

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Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:10 am

"Sam!" wrote:

Steel track and wood supports.


Erm, isn't that how our beloved Ultimate is built? :?
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:27 am

"Diogoj42""][quote=""Sam!" wrote:
Steel track and wood supports.

Erm, isn't that how our beloved Ultimate is built? :?[/quote]
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Finally let's be honest, it's basically an American Ultimate.


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Re: Strange Coasters

Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:30 pm

Only the lifts are wood, the rest is steel.

But that looks like a death trap, seriously, what were Arrow thinking when they thought that would be a good idea? It was opened in 1989, to put that in perspective, B&M built their first ride the year before, and apart from being stand-up, is a properly modern coaster. This is just 5 years older than Nemesis!

Can't blame Arrow, their designer never rode a coaster in his life, so he wasn't to know that all the things he designed were things that shouldn't be used on a good coaster.
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:07 pm

Conversation overheard at LWV:
Chav 1: (pointing at Ultimate) "Oh my dayz man! iz dat made of wood?!"
Chav 2: "Dont be fik. Dey won't let anywun make a ride out ov wood! Helf an saftey, innit?"

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Re: Strange Coasters

Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:03 pm

Granted, not everyone is an enthusiast, but it takes a special kind of thick for that!

I've seen one in France that had one rail and was designed with a ruler. only problem is I can't remember where it is and what it's called, it's very colourful, if that helps, anyone know about it for me?
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:28 pm

I've always considered Flashback at Six Flags Magic Mountain to be an odd ride, doesn't exactly seem all that thrilling either...


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Re: Strange Coasters

Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:34 pm

I think that looked alright, a bit odd, but not too bad. Plus it was designed by the B&M (well the founders before they started their own company).
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:30 pm

Has anyone mentioned the now defunct Vertigo from Walibi Belgium? A Doppelmayr 'Moutain Glider'.

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Very strange, and ill-fated attraction indeed.

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The Vertigo was intended to be a new attraction for the 2006 season. Technical problems prevented it from opening to the public until June 14th, 2007. It operated for just a short time and technical problems forced it to close for the remainder of the season. During the 2007/2008 off-season, the track was taken down and reworked by the manufacturer. On May 8th, 2008 the Vertigo had its official opening with lots of media and an appearance by Jean-Claude Van Damme. Unfortunately, more technical problems were encountered and on May 19th, 2008 the Vertigo closed once again. In December of 2008, the removal of the Vertigo was started.


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Re: Strange Coasters

Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:56 pm

I didn't realise it had epically failed :( I always thought it looked kinda funky.
 
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Re: Strange Coasters

Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:08 pm

Pretty much up until I made that post, I always thought it looked like a massive waste of everyone's time.

But now, especially from looking at the off-ride video, it looks incredible. That elevator lift is so cool! The on-ride doesn't look so hot, but that's because it doesn't really take in the scale of the ride like the off-ride and some pictures of it do. It's really rather high. Travelling down such a flimsy looking track, in such an open car, free to rock and sway in the wind must have been quite an experience for the few lucky enough to catch it on a good day (800 riders per hour, so not as bad as some by the way *cough* Mumbo Jumbo). And as can be seen in the bottom picture I've posted, when the car swung out on those corners, it looks like it would have been rather intimidating.

It's loss seems to have left Walibi Belgium a curiously listless place, devoid of any world class/unique attractions. Especially now that it is heavily rumoured to be removing its groovy enclosed Schwarzkopf shuttle looper.

In fact, I've suddenly become really melancholy about the fact that I'll never experience this fallen freak :(

Here's some cool concept art too
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