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Blackfish

Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:59 pm

This can be moved to a more appropriate place, I just wanted to post it under Seaworld.

Will anyone be watching this film?  Or has anyone watched it yet?  What are your thoughts?
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:27 pm

I'm defiantly going to make an effort to see this and will certainly be watching it with an open mind. I absolutely adore Sea World Orlando with it being my favourite park, and strongly urge anyone who is going to see this film to also watch this mini documentary behind the scenes of one of the shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o94CtSVqTM
 
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Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:52 am

Having watched The Cove and the documentary Danny posted, I am keen to watch this too. I personally have mixed feelings towards Seaworld, but I do think that I am starting to lean towards the against view...
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Re: Blackfish

Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:16 am

I hadn't heard of this before this topic, and I've just watched the trailer. I am a huge animal lover, especially marine creatures, and whales are a big love of mine. I remember going to Florida in 2008, and watching the shamu show was the highlight of my stay. But after seeing this trailer, and only the trailer, it honestly makes me feel sick I actually payed for this. I will most definitely be watching the film no matter how upsetting it is to me! I think it's important to realize what truly goes on behind the scenes and not be content with what these staged documentaries tell us. In my opinion, animals should be treated with respect and not exploited for our own uses, and I don't think many people realize what's going on behind the smoke and mirrors which is 'the magic'.
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:35 am

lucy2244 wrote:
I hadn't heard of this before this topic, and I've just watched the trailer. I am a huge animal lover, especially marine creatures, and whales are a big love of mine. I remember going to Florida in 2008, and watching the shamu show was the highlight of my stay. But after seeing this trailer, and only the trailer, it honestly makes me feel sick I actually payed for this. I will most definitely be watching the film no matter how upsetting it is to me! I think it's important to realize what truly goes on behind the scenes and not be content with what these staged documentaries tell us. In my opinion, animals should be treated with respect and not exploited for our own uses, and I don't think many people realize what's going on behind the smoke and mirrors which is 'the magic'.


Yes, but you also have got to know that they are working with wild animals. Like in the wild these animals can sasily kill if they wanted to, they hardly do and the last one was a mistake. If they didn't like what they was doing they would a)Kill b)Not do the show. My I add though I ate Christmas Dinner next to the Killer Whale that killed the women in 2010. Du Du Duuuuuuuuuuu
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Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:39 am

After watching the cove today, I will definitely be watching this documentary. I couldn't believe what was happening in the cove, and to think this is still happening today is horrific. It was probably the most powerful movie I have ever seen, and to think all this mass dolphin murder is down to meat or sending them away to be stuck in cages for the rest of there life is disgusting. It's such a shame what humans will do for money..
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Just watched Blackfish - wow, feeling completely moved.

As you would expect from a documentary like this, the views are very one-sided, so I would definitely recommend watching it with an open mind. The film has a similar feel about it to The Cove, which I do believe it is affiliated with, which can only really be understood if you have seen both. The message in both films is very strong, and I personally found Blackfish easier to watch compared to The Cove, even though it was still very emotional.

Blackfish argues against orcas in captivity, and is geared mainly towards Seaworld. As such, most interviewees are past Seaworld trainers giving their views about captivity, and telling their experiences when working at the parks. Marine experts are also interviewed, and I personally learnt a lot about orcas in the wild - most particularly how social they are. It's incredible.

As expected, the other side of the argument is not given often. One interviewee argues that captivity is not wrong, but apart from that, Seaworld is only represented by their own quotes. At the end it tells you that Seaworld declined multiple times to be interviewed for the film. I can't help but feel that they haven't helped themselves there, especially now that they are saying the film is misleading & inaccurate, when they had the chance to give their side of the argument in the first place. That's my view anyway.

So all in all, my view towards orcas in captivity stands - I don't agree with it. My view towards Seaworld has deteriorated, but I do not 'hate' them. The staff that work with them want to take care of them the best they can, and I recognise that Seaworld does a lot of work towards the rescue, rehabilitation & return of marine animals, which I can only praise them for. However, I do not feel that there is a need for the orcas to be there apart from the revenue made from them, which is such a shame. The film highlights how this comes into play when managing the parks, which is one reason why my view towards Seaworld as a company has diminished. Again, this could be biased, but that is my opinion right now.

I'm not usually one to write reviews on films, but I felt a need to express my views here, especially after visiting Seaworld Orlando multiple times in the past. I think that more people need to see documentaries like this, but make sure you research the other side of the story as well :)
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:54 pm

Kimberley wrote:
Just watched Blackfish - wow, feeling completely moved.

As you would expect from a documentary like this, the views are very one-sided, so I would definitely recommend watching it with an open mind. The film has a similar feel about it to The Cove, which I do believe it is affiliated with, which can only really be understood if you have seen both. The message in both films is very strong, and I personally found Blackfish easier to watch compared to The Cove, even though it was still very emotional.

Blackfish argues against orcas in captivity, and is geared mainly towards Seaworld. As such, most interviewees are past Seaworld trainers giving their views about captivity, and telling their experiences when working at the parks. Marine experts are also interviewed, and I personally learnt a lot about orcas in the wild - most particularly how social they are. It's incredible.

As expected, the other side of the argument is not given often. One interviewee argues that captivity is not wrong, but apart from that, Seaworld is only represented by their own quotes. At the end it tells you that Seaworld declined multiple times to be interviewed for the film. I can't help but feel that they haven't helped themselves there, especially now that they are saying the film is misleading & inaccurate, when they had the chance to give their side of the argument in the first place. That's my view anyway.

So all in all, my view towards orcas in captivity stands - I don't agree with it. My view towards Seaworld has deteriorated, but I do not 'hate' them. The staff that work with them want to take care of them the best they can, and I recognise that Seaworld does a lot of work towards the rescue, rehabilitation & return of marine animals, which I can only praise them for. However, I do not feel that there is a need for the orcas to be there apart from the revenue made from them, which is such a shame. The film highlights how this comes into play when managing the parks, which is one reason why my view towards Seaworld as a company has diminished. Again, this could be biased, but that is my opinion right now.

I'm not usually one to write reviews on films, but I felt a need to express my views here, especially after visiting Seaworld Orlando multiple times in the past. I think that more people need to see documentaries like this, but make sure you research the other side of the story as well :)
This is a really good review, interesting to read :)
Doesn't sound as bad as The Cove, like you mentioned in the review, but still sounds sad.
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Re: Blackfish

Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:21 pm

Blackfish is now on the bbc iplayer under storyville.
Found it a very interesting watch.
 
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Re: Blackfish

Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:47 pm

Finally got round to watching this.

Don't know what to make of it at all. Been to Seaworld on numerous occasions, booked up for April 2014 and this won't stop me from attending.

The one part that upset me was the corporate attitude and what appear to be outright lies from Seaworld over Dawn Brancheau's death.

"She fell in" was the original response. Which was refuted by the public who witnessed it.

"She was pulled in by her ponytail" was the rehashed second version of events. Again refuted by the public and her co trainer who said she was pulled in by the arm.

And then the despicable piece of crap who said "she made a mistake. If she were here today she'd admit that she should have tied her hair back". That's it Seaworld - blame the one person who literally is unable to defend herself.

Bottom line is that Seaworld do some magnificent work in the study and rehabilitation of animals. But they also run a cash cow of a theme park. And removing orcas from that park effectively slaughters that cash cow. So they'll always seek to protect that - even if it means risking the lives of the people working there.

And only a month ago they've asked the court to overturn the ban on trainers in the water. "Because it affects their business model". Corporate America (or any other country of the world to be fair) at its finest.
 
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Re: Blackfish

Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:57 pm

Yesterday Seaworld released a Statement regarding Blackfish:

On their Facebook page they put 'It's time to set the record straight.' Anyway, here is the statement:

Inaccurate reports recently have generated questions about SeaWorld and the animals in our care. The truth is in our parks and people, and it’s time to set the record straight.
The men and women of SeaWorld are true animal advocates. We are the 1,500 scientists, researchers, veterinarians, trainers, marine biologists, aquarists, aviculturists, educators and conservationists who have dedicated our lives to the animals in our care as well as those in the wild that are injured, ill or orphaned. Whether it’s a sea lion, manatee, sea turtle or whale, we are on call 24/7.
Here are some important facts about SeaWorld and our work:
SeaWorld does not capture killer whales in the wild. Due to the groundbreaking success of our research in marine mammal reproduction, we haven’t collected a killer whale from the wild in 35 years. In fact, only two of the whales in our care were collected by SeaWorld and they continue to be in our care today. In addition, our research has led to a much greater understanding of whales in the wild, giving researchers important scientific insights surrounding marine mammal reproduction.

We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.

SeaWorld invests millions of dollars in the care of our killer whales. In the last three years alone, we have invested $70 million in our killer whale habitats and millions of dollars annually in support of these facilities. Our habitats are among the largest in the world today. They are state-of-the-art, multimillion-gallon environments of cooled and filtered water that allow for the highest and safest standards of care. We give our animals restaurant-quality fish, exercise, veterinary care, mental stimulation, and the company of other members of their species.

SeaWorld’s killer whales’ life spans are equivalent with those in the wild. While studies continue to define the average life span of killer whales in the wild, the most recent science suggests that our killer whales’ life spans are comparable — indeed, five of our animals are older than 30, and one of our whales is close to 50.

The killer whales in our care benefit those in the wild. We work with universities, governmental agencies and NGOs to increase the body of knowledge about and the understanding of killer whales — from their anatomy and reproductive biology to their auditory abilities. Some populations of wild killer whales have been classified as endangered or threatened, demonstrating the potential critical nature of these research opportunities. This type of controlled research and study is simply not possible in the wild, and has significant real-world benefits to the killer whales that live there.

SeaWorld is a world leader in animal rescue. The millions of people who visit our parks each year make possible SeaWorld’s world-renowned work in rescue, rehabilitation and release. We are constantly innovating when it comes to this care: Our veterinarians have created nursing bottles to hand-feed orphaned whales, prosthetics to save sea turtles, and a wetsuit to help injured manatees stay afloat during rehabilitation. Whether it’s the result of natural or man-made disasters, SeaWorld is always on call and often the first to be contacted. We have rescued more than 23,000 animals with the goal of treating and returning them to the wild.

Naturalist Baba Dioum put it best when he said, “In the end we will conserve only what we love; we will love only what we understand; and we will understand only what we have been taught.”
At SeaWorld, this has been our calling since we first opened our doors 50 years ago. It is a responsibility we do not take lightly. More than 400 million guests have visited SeaWorld. We are proud that their experiences here have a lasting and positive impact on them, and on the world in which we live.
The truth about SeaWorld is right here in our parks and people. Our guests may enter our gates having never given much thought to the remarkable animals in our oceans. When they leave with a greater appreciation for the importance of the sea, educated about the animals that live there and inspired to make a difference, we have done our job.
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Re: Blackfish

Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:35 am

A interview "Blackfish exposed"


http://micechat.com/53915-blackfish-exposed/

As we all know there are two sides to every story. Now even some of the trainers that took part in the making of the film are now saying they where conned over the making of the film.
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