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Re: Merlin's next park?

Sun May 06, 2012 7:52 pm

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MERLIN MAGIC!


There is just no conceivable way that those two words could ever belong in the same sentence together.

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Re: Merlin's next park?

Sun May 06, 2012 7:57 pm

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DRAYTON MANOR! They need some BIG MERLIN MAGIC!


Drayton are basically trying to rival AT with their new hotel and planned waterpark. And many future top scale attractions planned just next door to Alton. Would Merlin really want more theme parks closer together?

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MERLIN MAGIC!


Looks like you haven't been reading the forums for the past 5 years then...
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Re: Merlin's next park?

Sun May 06, 2012 7:57 pm

CoasterCrazyChris wrote:
[email protected]$ wrote:
MERLIN MAGIC!


There is just no conceivable way that those two words could ever belong in the same sentence together.

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Unless you're talking about Merlin the wizard and not Merlin Entertainments :D
 
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Sun May 06, 2012 8:20 pm

.. M&D's... Mate , I have no idea what planet you are living on, but there is no chance on earth that any sane company would want to buy that place. It's right next to motherwell , not exactly the nicest of placest and not exactly filled with the kindest of people. Also all it has is second hand rides that aren't that great anyway - and I can't recognize the manafacturer from the track or cars....

I'd be happy though if for some reason Merlin's management team were smoking something suspicious and decided to buy the park and shove in a B&M invert and a nice intamin launched coaster...
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Re: Merlin's next park?

Mon May 07, 2012 8:28 am

Merlin should concentrate on the attractions they already own rather than trying to buy/make more. The last thing we need is for Merlin to own all major UK attractions so that they have no competition. Competition is what makes theme parks install bigger, better and more technologically advanced attractions.

If anything, there needs to be more competition in the UK. I wish Drayton Manor would build a new coaster on a similar scale (if not bigger) to Shockwave and for a large company to buy Lightwater Valley to provide them with the funds to build bigger rides as they have everything else in place (excellent managements, excellent surroundings, etc...).

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Mon May 07, 2012 5:42 pm

Merlin should concentrate on the attractions they already own rather than trying to buy/make more. The last thing we need is for Merlin to own all major UK attractions so that they have no competition. Competition is what makes theme parks install bigger, better and more technologically advanced attractions.


I more or less completely agree with this, and don't especially think that this topic should exist in the first place. I think my biggest issue with Merlin wouldn't be the way that their run their parks, but with the fact that they more or less dominate the theme park market in the UK, in the way which I don't believe should ever have been allowed to happen. As a result, the likes of Chessington simply haven't received the necessary funding, because they haven't needed to. Thorpe Park and Legoland have been focussed on separate audiences so that varied family groups in the south have little choice.

I grant you that the likes of either Flamingo Land or Lightwater Valley would benefit from Merlin's attention in the short term. But ultimately it wouldn't be of benefit to the industry as a whole. Whichever of Flamingo Land and Lightwater Valley wasn't purchased would probably go bust fairly soon afterwards; they don't have the reputation to compete with Merlin's offers, advertising campaigns, publicity and money. Merlin then wouldn't need to invest much in said other park because it wouldn't have the competition.

The UK theme park industry needs more competition, not less of it. If Merlin insist on buying, let it be either on midway attractions, or abroad.  :)
 
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Mon May 07, 2012 6:13 pm

While BPP hasn't seen the greatest amount of investment in it's history under Mandy, I couldn't hate the thought of Merlin buying it any more than I do. They would ruin the place and, with them owning the UK's three main parks, the UK industry in general.

Pleasure Beach has been family owned since it opened, and in my opinion should stay that way till it shuts.
 
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Re: Merlin's next park?

Mon May 07, 2012 9:59 pm

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DRAYTON MANOR! They need some BIG MERLIN MAGIC!

I live about 5-9 mins away from Drayton. Definitely needs some magic feel.
 
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Mon May 07, 2012 11:56 pm

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Instead of that Amanda Thompson, I think that Merlin would make great leaders of the Pleasure beach Blackpool


No thanks!

The only thing I can think of which is worse than that happening, is PB closing down!

I appreciate that Merlin might well be pleasing fans of Thorpe and Towers, but PB fans would hate to see them take over PB and would be very fearful of the five woodies' futures along with a lot of the other classics there. I know they'd put money into PB and probably put in a lot of new stuff, but for me it is something I never want to see happen, I think Merlin should worry about what they have rather than sniffing around PB.
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Tue May 08, 2012 12:46 am

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I appreciate that Merlin might well be pleasing fans of Thorpe and Towers, but PB fans would hate to see them take over PB and would be very fearful of the five woodies' futures along with a lot of the other classics there.


Yeah, because Amanda is all about the protection of classic woodies...

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Merlin's next park?

Tue May 08, 2012 6:33 am

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I appreciate that Merlin might well be pleasing fans of Thorpe and Towers...

Heh, you don't read these forums much then, do you :P
 
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Tue May 08, 2012 9:56 am

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Scott wrote:
I appreciate that Merlin might well be pleasing fans of Thorpe and Towers, but PB fans would hate to see them take over PB and would be very fearful of the five woodies' futures along with a lot of the other classics there.


Yeah, because Amanda is all about the protection of classic woodies...

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Oh you're not one of these idiots still crying over Cyclone and that poor man's Wild Mouse at Southport are you?  :roll:

Geoffrey Thompson actually closed the Water Chute originally and it was Amanda & Nick that went ahead with the removal of it a few years later, it was always going to come down. GT also closed Frontierland and had Texas Tornado removed which was a much better ride than Cyclone but nobody seems to moan about that. I am not complaining about either, both were the right decisions in the end.

Pleasure Beach may well have lost a few classics in the last few years, some I don't agree with and others I do, but the five woodies still stand along with the other popular ''classics''.

There's no place for Merlin at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, they should stick to what they have and sea life centres.

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I appreciate that Merlin might well be pleasing fans of Thorpe and Towers...

Heh, you don't read these forums much then, do you :P


Not as much as I used to in fairness, I am aware TTF aren't the biggest fans of Merlin but there's plenty of people out there who think Merlin (and Towers) can do no wrong, but they are always quick to put down Thorpe oddly.
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Tue May 08, 2012 12:51 pm

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Oh you're not one of these idiots still crying over Cyclone and that poor man's Wild Mouse at Southport are you?  :roll:


I love how you basically just said that people who are concerned about heritage and preservation of historic buildings and structures are "idiots".  :roll:

You didn't answer my point at all, just called me an idiot (because that's pretty much your level of discourse). You implied that Amanda Thompson would be much better at preserving Blackpool's woodies than Merlin. Yet even you acknowledged that in the past ten years, she has demolished two and dismantled another. Of all the woodies in her care when she took over the parks (eight), nearly half (three) have been removed! So it's a bit weird that you say we should be "very fearful of the five woodies' futures" if Merlin take over.  :roll:
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Tue May 08, 2012 1:18 pm

The only positive that I could *actually* see happening if Merlin owned PBB would be the chance of them installing a *new* woodie there.

At a park that already has old ones, and proves they are popular, maybe it would be the only place in the country, world where they might actually experiment with a modern one. The popularity of the existing ones would probably teach them something!

Having said that, PBB needs to remain independent in order to try and fuel competition.
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Tue May 08, 2012 3:25 pm

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I love how you basically just said that people who are concerned about heritage and preservation of historic buildings and structures are "idiots". 


It's pathetic, they were two of the worst woodies going and yet everyone moans about them being removed, but funnily enough when they were open, all the people moaning about the removals couldn't be bothered to go to Southport and actually ride them.

Maybe if the people who are so offended by their removals had spent more time bigging up Southport, spent more money there and give the place more publicity, they'd of had half a chance of staying open.

There was probably more people moaning on internet sites about the removal of Cyclone than people that actually bothered to go and ride it in its final season.

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You didn't answer my point at all, just called me an idiot (because that's pretty much your level of discourse). You implied that Amanda Thompson would be much better at preserving Blackpool's woodies than Merlin. Yet even you acknowledged that in the past ten years, she has demolished two and dismantled another. Of all the woodies in her care when she took over the parks (eight), nearly half (three) have been removed! So it's a bit weird that you say we should be "very fearful of the five woodies' futures" if Merlin take over. 


Two of them were in a defunct amusement park, the other one was rotting away and hadn't run for years, it was no surprise the three of them were removed.

The other wooden coasters have had plenty of work done to them since Amanda and Nick have been at the helm at the Pleasure Beach, including RollerCoaster which at one point everyone was saying should be removed, but instead PB gave it a new lease of life when they could of easily removed it before Nickelodeon Land was introduced.

I would be a lot more fearful of PB classics if Merlin were in charge, as things stand I am not that fearful of any of the woodies at PB anyway.
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Tue May 08, 2012 3:56 pm

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Two of them were in a defunct amusement park, the other one was rotting away and hadn't run for years, it was no surprise the three of them were removed.


Yeah, Southport was defunct because the Thompson family closed it! It wasn't shut down by some divine order from God. They completely failed to invest in the park over decades which eventually led to its closure. Even then, instead of doing the honourable and decent thing, and saving the Cyclone and handing it over free to the council, they decided to demolish it in a cynical and cruel attempt to prevent competition to the Pleasure Beach arising. The current Thompson generation are the enemies of heritage.
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Tue May 08, 2012 4:06 pm

Scott and Sam:

There are actually some valid points within both sets of your posts but please, keep the petty insults away.

Thanks.

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Re: Merlin's next park?

Tue May 08, 2012 4:10 pm

On the topic of removing classic attractions, remind me what Merlin did to Corkscrew?

It's not just the situation of the classic rides that makes me dislike the idea of Merlin ever owning the Pleasure Beach. For example, expect the current system in which you can just pay a small fee to access the park to be gone and replaced by the £42 regardless of what you want to ride system like at Alton and Thorpe.

Adding on to this, Merlin aren't exactly renowned for looking after their rides are they? I hate the thought of Valhalla getting the poor level of looking after that Hex does. Plus I'd much prefer PBB how it is now than cluttered with up selling and advertising.
 
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Tue May 08, 2012 4:12 pm

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Yeah, Southport was defunct because the Thompson family closed it! It wasn't shut down by some divine order from God. They completely failed to invest in the park over decades which eventually led to its closure. Even then, instead of doing the honourable and decent thing, and saving the Cyclone and handing it over free to the council, they decided to demolish it in a cynical and cruel attempt to prevent competition to the Pleasure Beach arising. The current Thompson generation are the enemies of heritage.


Pleasure Land was a sinking ship, Geoffrey Thompson put plenty of money into it and it still wasn't bringing in the numbers, it'd of probably been better spent on the Pleasure Beach and closing Frontierland & Pleasure Land at the same time.

Amanda did what GT would of done eventually, afterall GT did the same with Frontierland.

Another thing to throw into it, if Merlin took on the Pleasure Beach and were to start charging £42 for entrance, you could wave goodbye to all of the rides then, people are still grumbling about the fiver entry charge, so start messing around with the way PB is currently run and it would be curtains for them, regardless of what rides they've got.
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Tue May 08, 2012 4:21 pm

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On the topic of removing classic attractions, remind me what Merlin did to Corkscrew?


The Corkscrew may have been a classic attraction to Alton Towers, but it's not historically significant in any way. There are dozens of them all over the world, it is a clone. Same with Black Hole. Many are in a much better condition than Alton's was. The Texas Tornado and the Cyclone were both unique attractions, even if there were similar rides, it's impossible to completely clone a woodie.

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For example, expect the current system in which you can just pay a small fee to access the park to be gone and replaced by the £42 regardless of what you want to ride system like at Alton and Thorpe.


Just because that's what they do at all their other parks, it doesn't mean they'd do it at the Pleasure Beach. All their other parks are well-known for being pay-one-price, whereas the Pleasure Beach has a history of admission into the park for free (though Mandy and co jacked it up to a fiver). I'm sure Merlin would maintain that if they bought the park, there'd be no reason not to.

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Pleasure Land was a sinking ship, Geoffrey Thompson put plenty of money into it and it still wasn't bringing in the numbers, it'd of probably been better spent on the Pleasure Beach and closing Frontierland & Pleasure Land at the same time.


I'd hardly call a crappy SLC putting "plenty of money into it", when PBB were adding rides like the PMBO. If they'd invested in it properly, it could have been profitable.

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