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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sat May 07, 2011 9:42 pm

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A family version of Valhalla in the Nick building or to replace Charlie/Compiment a rethemed Charlie would be great, much better than a 'standard' flume, and would open this space for a semi-thrilling water coaster/aquatrax in the current location.

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Could you really get a water ride with splash sections in the space of what was just a glorified play area? :?
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sat May 07, 2011 11:14 pm

"CoasterCrazyChris""][quote=""Blaze" wrote:
A family version of Valhalla in the Nick building or to replace Charlie/Compiment a rethemed Charlie would be great, much better than a 'standard' flume, and would open this space for a semi-thrilling water coaster/aquatrax in the current location.

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Could you really get a water ride with splash sections in the space of what was just a glorified play area? :?[/quote]

I agree with Chris. There would be room to put something in there but nothing to special or unique. I think it would just be a failure to be honest.

As for Charlie they are not going to get rid of that anytime soon it is still reasonable new.

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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 12:08 am

I dont get this aqua trax coaster system, yes the ride layout at Lotte World looks good. But the thing that gets me is that the spray of water on the track seems pointless to me.

A Flume replacement would have to be something that gives a kind of splash to what the flume already gives so that it would appeal to the GP as the the flume already does. Given that technology has moved on, add something extra to the ride.

Is there anything that says that they can not build a ride building on the flume site? This could provide Alton to build a highly theme flume like Ripsaw Falls at IOA.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 1:31 am

The Flume takes up a large ammount of room. There is enough room for a large development or even a SW coaster. I don't think the Flume fits in the area anymore. It is in a strange place because it is on the edge of Mutiny Bay on most of the ride you can't see Mutiny Bay but at the station you can. So I don't think it would make sense to theme it as a pirate ride or something along a pirate theme.

Personally I would like to see the area cleared and leveled and see a family coaster there. Maybe a water coaster or maybe a normal coaster. The area is quite dark if some of the trees were cut down to get some more light in to there and then make it an extension of Mutiny Bay. This would tidy the area up and make it more attractive.

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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 1:44 am

My thoughts would be similar to the above.

The flume takes up a large area of the theme park (relatively). If it was completely removed, I'm guessing that you could fit a couple of decent sized attractions in there or one major ride (maybe having to dig down a bit depending on the ride). What's to say that a couple of large rides couldn't intertwine on the same footprint of land? New attractions and the like are not my forte so i could be missing something obvious.

Just a thought :)
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 1:45 am

^Losing a water ride for another coaster...water or not, its still a coaster.

The park needs a world class family water ride which it currently lacks, the replacement should either be a better flume ride with themed sections and backwards drops or a shoot-the-chutes, again heavily themed.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 2:46 am

"barryzola" wrote:
My thoughts would be similar to the above.

The flume takes up a large area of the theme park (relatively). If it was completely removed, I'm guessing that you could fit a couple of decent sized attractions in there or one major ride (maybe having to dig down a bit depending on the ride). What's to say that a couple of large rides couldn't intertwine on the same footprint of land? New attractions and the like are not my forte so i could be missing something obvious.

Just a thought :)


I doubt you would have to dig down too much beucase of the lake. Draining it would leave lot of room and a pit for construction.


"CoasterCrazyChris" wrote:
^Losing a water ride for another coaster...water or not, its still a coaster.

The park needs a world class family water ride which it currently lacks, the replacement should either be a better flume ride with themed sections and backwards drops or a shoot-the-chutes, again heavily themed.
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What about the Rapids?

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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 3:03 am

".Will" wrote:
What about the Rapids?

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UK's largest theme park with just one family water ride? (and a splash battle nobody likes :P ) :shock:

Don't get me wrong though, that site is the perfect location for a large coaster, not only because the site left by the flume is the largest in the park, but it would also enable the big rides to be more evenly distributed across the park as a whole, as oppose to all clustered in Dark Forest and Forbidden Valley.

But I really don't think the park can afford to lose a staple family ride...

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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 3:05 am

Well invest in a new one some where else on the park then. I mean you could probabily fit a water ride in Gloomy Wood on the site of the axed launch coaster or even as a Duel replacement.

It seems to me that the site of the Flume is too good an oppertunity to pass up.

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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 11:42 am

It's possible that the flume site could be used for both a new water ride and a roller coaster. The areas large enough and it could be part of a two year deal with Mack or Intamin.

Personally if they placed a roller coaster there I’d like the entrance to be in Gloomy woods but a water ride can keep the flumes old entrance. It's hard to explain why but I feel a new roller coaster in Mutiny Bay would attract really large queues, but move it round to Gloomy wood and it has the reveres effect of making that area more popular. I'm not saying the station should be next to Gloomy Woods but maybe have the queue start there (like how Th13teens queue is the other side of the Dark Forest to the ride).
A flume on the other hand needs the popularity of Mutiny Bay so I'd keep the queue on the same side.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 3:17 pm

I agree with the above. While The Flume is manky and definitely not as exciting as it could be, I still love it and its always the most memorable ride of the day and a lot of that has to do with the "three men in a boat" feel, the fact you go down a rickety drop with no support and only the friction against the water to slow you down.

On the other hand, I do think it needs replacing and that it seems silly to replace it with another log flume. If a water coaster would replace it, I'd like to see that part of it retains that classic log flume feeling.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Sun May 08, 2011 11:53 pm

#-o I think alton towers needs a new flume. The one at the moment is good but it needs painting or summut. I think a water coaster would be good but with alton towers having height restrictions it would be quite hard especially for it to get the finale aka . the big splash ! x and maybe fit the ride in with kangata canyon x but... :D
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 10:44 am

A new flume would need a compeltely new ride and water system building - if I'm remembering right, H&S now dictates water rides need to have a 'closed' water system so that it can be sanitised correctly. The flume was built before these rules which is why it can use the lake water for the ride.

Keeping that in mind, there's no benefit at all to having the flume in the same spot as it is now (other than for theming).

It's a cliche, so a pirate themed flume fits in very well, but I really like the idea of a flume in Gloomy Wood. Could be in the dark as a new twist on a haunted ride - ride in coffins or even in boats that take you to the afterlife (I've got some recollection of a myth about getting in a boat that takes you to the afterlife and needing gold to pay the rower).

Putting it in Gloomy Wood would leave loads of room for a coaster on the Flume site. As it's a section of the park that has no coasters near it, a good family coaster there would really balance it out by then having a coaster in each 'land'.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 12:43 pm

While the idea of a dark flume in GW appeals to me personally (assuming they don't totally skimp on theming) I'm not sure the park would view it as that. The flume is a classic family staple, so it needs to be total fun. Not eerie fun. Nothing that would even slight scare young children.

Its a shame as that is an opportunity to do something different and interesting.
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 2:11 pm

Depends on how far they take it - it could be on a par with Duel or Haunted Mansion in Disney with how scary they are.

Both are very much family attractions.
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 2:57 pm

Whatever new water ride comes along it needs be on par if not better than something like valhalla. AT wont just stick a water ride in the woods and plonk it there im sure it will be part of a big development. I hope whatever comes along has a good story, lots of indoor and outdoor elements, some good thrills and a decent ride length time.
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 7:46 pm

If you want a water ride, it pretty much has to be a Mack. They offer so many different types of flume rides as well as interactive boat rides. Ok so the master of rapids rides is probably Intamin, but Mack just seem to know how to make a decent water ride.
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 7:59 pm

Does anyone know what kind of state The Flume is in (technically) and what would be required to give it a decent rehab and re-theme?
I genuinely can't see Alton installing a Mack water coaster, those things are bulky and not even that good really, apart from the drop. The Mack Supersplash is also too bulky a ride to work at Towers I think.
I still say rehab The Flume, give it a retheme, maybe a turntable and backwards drop. Everyone likes a good flume! Keep The Flume!

(ps. I have on been on The Flume once in about the last six years :wink: , but I still think they are a staple theme park requirement)
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 8:32 pm

I think its a good ride, it just needs a full upgrade, but such a costly upgrade wouldnt seem worth while and wouldnt make business sense. I think they should replace it. A water coaster kinda wouldnt be family enough for the park and to be fair, if Poisedon is anything to go by, they are a bit rough too. Just get a super splash and see if it would be possible to put it in Katanga Canyon. That would free up the area where the flume is for something different that kinda fits in with pirates.
 
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Re: Mack Watercoaster Replace The Flume ?

Mon May 09, 2011 9:47 pm

Although a Water Coaster would be good as would be unique in the uk (which is something Merlin always seem to want) i think when they come to add a new water ride to replace the flume we will get an Intamin water ride, possibly something like 'shoot the rapids Flume' that opened at Cedar point last year, maybe with a backwards drop and if they want something a bit unique in the uk they could add one of the small coaster style drops (Like at the bottom of the drops on the mack super splash).

I think due to some of the lack of investment on support attractions in the last 10 years there are just so many projects the park needs to do that mean we will be waiting a while to see all of them. The park need a new modern flume style ride, a Blackhole replacement and tidy up of X-Sector, a new Flat ride in Dark Forrest, a couple of new flats to replace some of the aging flats, new kids coaster, plus a 4D cinema and some new show venues. With an expect £18m investment in 2013 merlin i cant see many of the above happening in the near future. In 2012 i would hope to see either a blackhole replacement or new flume ride (filling the family thrill market) and a new kids coaster.

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