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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:51 pm

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Also, when people we're asking, 'why where the drop towers are, is it lower than the centre'.

When the drop towers are in place, will they be concreted in, to hide the base?
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:54 pm

^ I should imagine that the 'show' area will be dark enough that you won't see any supports, ride mechanisms etc., so no need to hide them.

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Edge of the pit, i.e. ground level, surely?


Well, yes.

But my point was that it's a ledge - I'd assumed the walls of the building would go straight up to the ceiling.

Ahh, I see your point - that's on the assumption that the edge of the building is flush with the edge of the pit, which seems unlikely to me.
 
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:18 am

siralgenon wrote:
Also, when people we're asking, 'why where the drop towers are, is it lower than the centre'.

When the drop towers are in place, will they be concreted in, to hide the base?


They may well be concreted to help support the base....
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:44 am

ah ha i was right 8)

Boz wrote:
i think i have worked out why there is such an amount of additional space at the back of the right hand tower.
the access stairs are shown in the plans as sticking out the side of the pit how ever i think that this, additional depth has been excavated all the way along 8)

edit:added pic- you can see the difference in wall length between my version (which is accurate to 0.5m) and the wall in the construction pic

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the ledge at the right will have a wall built along it and will make up the exit corridor 8)
 
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:25 pm

Does anyone have pictures of the building?
 
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:29 pm

Tom G wrote:
Does anyone have pictures of the building?


You can barely see it outside the park, it's just a metal shed in the distance.
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:38 pm

heres the clearance difference.. have they built in another wall ?

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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:46 pm

indeed they have which brings it in line with the plans  8)
 
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:37 pm

I may be being stupid here but:

I honestly can not see it being top-loaded, if the seats are facing inwards to the centre, how the hell can it be top-loading?
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:44 pm

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I may be being stupid here but:

I honestly can not see it being top-loaded, if the seats are facing inwards to the centre, how the hell can it be top-loading?


In one of two ways:

- Retractable floors (like floorless coasters).
- Floor attached to ride cars that drop with riders.
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:46 pm

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I may be being stupid here but:

I honestly can not see it being top-loaded, if the seats are facing inwards to the centre, how the hell can it be top-loading?

there will be some form of platform built across the middle probably supported in the corners

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2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:46 pm

CJH wrote:
I may be being stupid here but:

I honestly can not see it being top-loaded, if the seats are facing inwards to the centre, how the hell can it be top-loading?


Page 63, 64 & 65 o this topic has some answers on that, a few plausible & simple ideas.


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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:51 pm

But to be honest, if a platform is built across and it is going to drop then surely the clearance isn't going to be enough?
Just can't see it happening.

Edit: I can't find that on 63/64/65 or 66.
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:54 pm

it will be top loading were very sure its most likely each gondala will have a floor on it with two other floors around it that can retract.  :)
 
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:54 pm

lol tell me about it i've been having various arguments about that very problem, it was my main theory that it wouldn't be four drop towers but i was wrong on that so somehow towers have made it work, and its probably something really simple that i've completely overlooked :?

the one thing i can guarantee at this point is it is definitely top loading 8)
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:06 pm

Where we see the raised walk way on basement level photo, the top floor will be the same layout with cut out areas for the towers to drop through to the show room, then back to :D the top to disembark. Simple
 
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2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:09 pm

CJH wrote:
But to be honest, if a platform is built across and it is going to drop then surely the clearance isn't going to be enough?
Just can't see it happening.

Edit: I can't find that on 63/64/65 or 66.


If the floor attached to the gondola is as big as the clearance required there would be no need for extra?
Or like others have said, a floor that folds underneath maybe?

I thought the same as you for a while, I was imagining barriers & all sorts being in your way, but members here proved there are simple ways to solve the problem.

Ps I'm sure it's 64 where there is a diagram someone drew maybe explains better than me


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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:12 pm

My guess is the top floor will be loading and look like a solid mesh floor - there will be no need for barriers or anything as when the ride is stationary it will have no access to what is bellow, but under each row of seats the floor will be attached to the ride vehicle and cut away from the rest of the suspended floor. As the ride falls, the attached floor goes with it leaving the rest of the loading floor behind The attached floor probably fits into that recess at the base of the towers so in the event of a lower floor evac the floor there will also appear to be level. From on the ride you won't even know the floor is there if it's dark, as your feet don't touch the floor when your seated in seats like that (think Vampire station).

Sorry, I've made that a bit wordy and crap, hope you know what I mean.
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Re: 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:15 pm

nemesismad wrote:
Where we see the raised walk way on basement level photo, the top floor will be the same layout with cut out areas for the towers to drop through to the show room, then back to :D the top to disembark. Simple


But it isn't that simple.
Clearances are a big thing, and if it is to drop through the "hole" for it to drop will have to be over the total reach of any rider. So that means legs sticking out, arms reaching out, therefore it will need a lot of space not just to drop, but also the mechanism of the retractable floors.

I just can't honestly see it.


After thinking about maybe the floor dropping aswell I could see it being top loaded. I was just thinking about a retractable floor not really being needed but it makes sense if the floor/base was to drop aswell, but if it is a standard extremis clone, I'm un-sure of it being top loaded.
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2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:23 pm

The floor attached to the gondola would also double up as an escape platform if the ride were to fail at the bottom (we have already seen the escape stairs)

We may well all be proved wrong in 8 weeks but it seems the most rational at the minute.

Another point that proves top loading is that there is only one set of stairs to the bottom, how could you have people coming down them to load & up them to exit (they are only single stairs) also what about people in wheelchairs? Stairs? Don't think so unless their middle name is 'death-wish'


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