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What should replace 'Corky'?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:48 pm
by phillipvass
am i the only person on this site who would actually like to see the corkscrew go? I know alot of people get sentimental when we talk about corkscrew and how it's a part of Alton Towers history, that's fine, but at the end of the day the general public don't look at theme park rides in that way. To be honest i'm starting to get a bit bored of what is a very bog standard coaster, it hurts, it doesn't look good, and it's falling apart. It will be sad to see it go but it's not as if was nemesis or anything, and imagine the possibilities for that space aswell!

So talk about what should replace corkscrew when it goes, and other corkscrew related things!
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(Yes i know it's an old picture!)

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:06 pm
by macny1
i think thats its a good ride and there are never big ques plus its just had a paint job so i dont think AT are planin to get rid of it in the next few years but if it does go then maybe a good flat or a compact B&M floorless or something along the same lines

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:27 pm
by Anonymous
It's not going to go for a while, though your 'its not as if it's Nemesis or anything' surprises me for someone of your age.

It was more than Nemesis - at that time there was nothing else - apart from the Revolution at Blackpool and the Looping Star at Dreamland, Margate - this was the most unique thing the UK coaster community had ever seen!

I agree that its tame, that it has not aged well, but for me, in the same way the Scenic Railway at Margate created the initial interest in coasters in 1920 - Corky did the same in 1980. When you start destroying your heritage - where does it end?

If I were managing AT, then sitting on the first really big double looping UK coaster isn't something I'd want to give up = particularly as its footprint is not that big.

Perceptions of coasters are relative to your own era - would you want Nemmie to be ripped out in 15 years?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:01 pm
by Anonymous
phillip at 26 your past your sexual peak, starting to wrinkle and maybe even going bald. Maybe it's time you were put down to make room for the younger generation. But I am sure you have your good points like Corky. Old doesn't mean past it! So get over it and appreciate it's heritage

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:41 am
by Vik
It ceratinly isnt falling apart. Though judging by the state it was in by the end of last season after years of neglect it certainly looked that way.

It is still one of the most reliable rides in the park, and a good work horse, with a good through put when both trains are being used. Also helps keep Rita's queue down a touch, and comes in handy when rita's having one of her moments, and to this end it does the job very well.

I dont think it will be going anywhere yet for the forseeable future, or at least it shouldnt. Not just for sentimental value, but to many rides & attractions have been removed over the last 3 years or so, and until there are a few new rides & attractions added without the removal of any others, then it should stay.

Sure it will be here next season, without a doubt, after all the end of the 2005 season was when the Black Hole was scheduled to be closed, but it happened sooner, so I doubt it they planned for corky to go as well.

There will come a time it will succumb to metal fatigue, like the Black Hole has, but with a bit of TLC that should be a few years down the line yet.

My thinking is it will see 30, but maybe that year will be its final swan song.

Who knows!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:46 am
by Phil
30 years would be ace! I'm sure she could manage it. I can't imagine what could ever replace her, and since Rita has been built around her, it will look very empty!

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:27 am
by I_love_at
I use to have dreams about Corky not being there, it felt weird becuase in its place was just grass.

Re: What should replace 'Corky'?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:50 am
by Anonymous
"phillipvass" wrote:
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(Yes i know it's an old picture!)


Lol, ironically enough, ol' Corky looks like she's caving in in the middle there.

I think she's fine where she is at the moment. No point removing her, she eats up queues when Rita breaks down and before/after people go on Rita, and with Rita being so new, replacing her is just going to be awkward when they've worked Rita AROUND Corky.

The coasters in BPB have been open since - at the earliest - 1923 (Big Dipper), so she has a lot of life potentially left in her! :)

And people don't mind Corky because they have a lot of fond memories of her being their first coaster/looping coaster. :)

:twisted: :P

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:01 am
by phil2k4
heritage and history are no excuse to keep a now average ride which no longer attracts big queues and has aged terribly. The thing is falling apart and is as rough as hell. it should definitely be remembered for what it has done for AT but all good things come to an end. Other historic rides have left the park and although they have been missed, it was the best decision to let them go whilst they were on top rather than leave them to fall apart and rot. I love the ride for what it did to AT in the '80's but you can't live in the past. there are now so many better alternatives to fulfilling the needs of thrillseekers which would add a bit of freshness and new life to the place. you cant cling on to every ride with a history behind it. Stick an exhibition about it somewhere in the park and take it out in the next couple of years i say.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:09 am
by Anonymous
I see your point, but her target market has changed over the years. She was once the ultimate thrill ride. These days, she's a family ride - a first rung on the thrill seeker ladder - like Vampire at Chessington

She has such a small footprint - you're not really going to get anything really thrilling in there. And why would you want to - we've got Oblivion, Nemmie, Rita to cater for the thrill seekers? Let her be the 'warmer upper' as she gets old...

Still a GREAT first drop though - particularly if you're at the back...

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:33 am
by dstone_uk
corkscrew was my first looping rollercoaster ,and i allways drag people on it when i'm at the towers. There isin't meny old rides at alton, and it is the one thing that it needs, part from a woodie of course. They said on the black hole event that corkscrew still had a fuw years left as the running costs are so low i carn't see alton getting rid of it fora lon g time to come

LONG LIVE THE CORKSCREW

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:09 am
by Satch
"phil2k4" wrote:
heritage and history are no excuse to keep a now average ride which no longer attracts big queues and has aged terribly. The thing is falling apart and is as rough as hell. it should definitely be remembered for what it has done for AT but all good things come to an end. Other historic rides have left the park and although they have been missed, it was the best decision to let them go whilst they were on top rather than leave them to fall apart and rot. I love the ride for what it did to AT in the '80's but you can't live in the past. there are now so many better alternatives to fulfilling the needs of thrillseekers which would add a bit of freshness and new life to the place. you cant cling on to every ride with a history behind it. Stick an exhibition about it somewhere in the park and take it out in the next couple of years i say.


But that is no reason why she should be removed. Why cant AT keep rides as well as adding more? It's running perfectly, people enjoy it, its a good, less intense coaster, and is not exactly offensive. Clearly Corky is not being left to rot, but is kept in good running condition.

Would you like them to remove Nemesis in a few years, or even RMT because theyve lasted 20 years? No

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:18 am
by Anonymous
corky should not be moved :D

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:24 pm
by phillipvass
It's not going to go for a while, though your 'its not as if it's Nemesis or anything' surprises me for someone of your age.


I'm shocked myself of what i've typed! But I stand by it, I used to see it as a magnificent feat of engineering, the very 'heart'/'symbol' of Alton Towers, the coaster that made visiting worthwhile. I have so many fond memories of corky, and the times i've ridden it. I do love the Corkscrew don't get me wrong, but for reasons other than the experience it gives. Historically it means alot to me, because it's how I've always seen the park, it's become a piece of the furniture so to speak. But when the Black Hole closed, I thought i'd be more dissapointed than I eventually found I was, and I loved that as much as Corky. When I was queueing up for Rita I saw the Corkscrew in a different way, I've always thought of the corkscrew as being the one with character, but I didn't see that anymore. My attitude towards Alton as a whole has changed over the last few years, can't explain why, it just seems to have happened! (Sign of getting old probably! bah humbug!) Ignore what I say if you wish, it's just the way I feel!

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:32 pm
by Anonymous
SAVE CORKSCREW

Don't get rid of 'ol Corky.

Just because you don't enjoy it isn't an excuse to take it away. It's a great ride for the young who are not quite brave enough to go on Air & Nemmy, but want to go on a thrilling ride.

If you don't like, & i do, that means i get more enjoyment out of it then you which means MORE ENJOYMENT FOR ME! :P

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:44 pm
by Rocco
There's space for them all!!!!!

Corkscrew has slowly declined over the years but thats no reason to rid the park of her. When i first visited AT she was THE reason for going.

I know some of you younger guys/dolls may think she's crap compared to the newer thrill rides around the park - and in a way you'd be right - but she was my first ride and it fuelled my enthusiasm for coasters.

The first drop is still as good as it was, especially at the back, but for the buzz.................... oblivion kicks its ass well and truly into the ground!! :twisted:

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:41 pm
by Anonymous
I agree with everyone who vaguely says Corky has somewhat of a sentimental value as to her being irreplaceble. First inverting coaster, or even just how damn good she looks at current in Ug-Land.

I think Alton have high intention's of her. Reports of a new motor, new restraint padding and Rita being so tightly packed around her, all boils down to Corkscrew staying for many, many more years...

LONG LIVE CORKSCREW :!: :D

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:57 pm
by Tom M
Corkscrew is what makes Ug-land...well Ug-land!

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:40 am
by martyn maloney
Rite ok, everyone is saying that the ride hurts your head and ok, when you dwarven it does, but i am a huge fan of Corky, it was my first ever ride when i came to this park when i was 8!!.It is the oldest ride in the park, so what, you lose it you lose the heritage of the site

I reakon it will stay for the next few years, otherwise they would have got rid of it a along time ago, when they built Rita, but no the built Rita around Corky, to me that means it will be staying for the next few years.

Also the poeple, that enforge the laws upon Alton Towers won't be happy, the bases in the middle of corky have a problem, there is a tree growing through the middle so a tree will have to go

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:55 pm
by SW-Dave
Unless the ride is actually dangerous there seems no reason to remove to make way for new rides. Alton towers is a big park with large areas that are unused, areas much larger than that occupied by corky. Granted alot of it is hilly terrain but thats never stopped alton before. Id like to see future development used previously unused areas of the park and leave corkscrew untouched.

Having said that I think corky could do with some new trains with some sort of suspension in them to take away the roughness. I enjoy a nice rough ride but the head banging is verging on uncomfortable.