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Craig

Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:05 pm

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I'm still not fully understanding, I don't see the point in removing Corkie and then adding another coaster in its place, I thought one of the main problems in that area was space, there's no room for another coaster in that area not with Rita, if they're gonna build a coaster it needs to be in the wood behind.

Personally I think having two coasters squashed up next to each other is ridiculous, Rita and Corkscrew, prime example. Nemmie and Air are not so bad.


Where has anyone said that a new coaster was going there in its place? There's much, much more space available behind than just the footprint left by Corky.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:12 pm

"Craig""][quote=""CoasterCrazyChris" wrote:
I'm still not fully understanding, I don't see the point in removing Corkie and then adding another coaster in its place, I thought one of the main problems in that area was space, there's no room for another coaster in that area not with Rita, if they're gonna build a coaster it needs to be in the wood behind.

Personally I think having two coasters squashed up next to each other is ridiculous, Rita and Corkscrew, prime example. Nemmie and Air are not so bad.


Where has anyone said that a new coaster was going there in its place? There's much, much more space available behind than just the footprint left by Corky.[/quote]

a) It wouldn't get through planning permission. John Wardley himself has reiterated many times that the space is prime for coasters but simply couldn't get permission.

b) Having 3 coasters mashed awkwardly into one area merely adds crap to more crap and creates no real cohesion as one area. In removing Corkscrew I supposed Alton want to develop Ug-Land to make a properly themed area suitable for such a park, where currently it is a mess and will forever be a mess whilst Corkscrew is there, looking horrible and taking up such vast space for such a mediocre and publicly disliked ride.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:19 pm

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business sense.


Business sense, thanks Lewis :D I would never of guessed :P!

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I am attached to it in a sense, but not to the point of Stigzz who appears to think Corkscrew is one of the best coasters in the land. When it clearly isn't. It's got a lot of history, a lovely view from the top, a whining noise which I love... but after that. MEH.


How dare thou! It clearly is one of the finest examples of a rolling and coasting machine, there’s no shame in admitting it Dan! I think this is the real reason as to why its departing from Alton towers too. Corkscrew portrays a sleek and slender image of what a roller coaster in this day and age should be, and tbh it sticks out like a sore thumb in Ug Land! It's just too good, so I've come to the conclusion that Alton Towers have simply decided to play it safe and take a back seat if you like and get rid of it. That way all the rides will be more or less on the same level and not patronised by the Great Corkscrew! Even kids rides such as Rita should benefit from its removal... :shock: :P
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:25 pm

Yes, there are only two areas in the entire park that have gotten worse as time has gone by, X-Sector when BH closed, and UG Land when Rita came along. The area (both areas) were perfect when they were first created, but now look at them.
X-Sector lost BH with just two fairly average flats complimenting Oblivion to justify calling the area, an area; and UG was great when it started out, it had a coaster, and a good range of flats to go with it. Then it lost the decent flats, and just became a land with two clashing coasters and a chair-o-planes ride to ''soften'' it up.
I'm just contemplating the awful thought of an entire land themed on ''racers'' as it looks as if it may become that way.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:42 pm

im very saddened by this news. it was the first coaster i went on that inverted. i thought they would atleast keep it till it was 30 then retire it.i never thought corkscrew was that bad on roughness. well all things come to an end and its time for corkscrew to retire. with out the corkscrew alton towers wouldn't be what it is to day. good bye corkscrew you served us well
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LiamSAFC

Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:02 pm

If someone can get those pictures of Corkscrew being ripped apart, I'll use them as porn!

Meh, in all fairness every dog has their day, and Corkscrew has had hers. Will be sad to see such a momentous coaster leaving not just for Alton but for the UK but I don't think sentimental values should come before new technology in the coaster business.

One is excited! :D
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:04 am

Hey guys, I'm brand new to 'Towers Times Forum' - although I have been surfing the site ('Towers Times') for many-a-year :) Just thought I'd post a message after hearing the news on Corkscrews fate. I admit that I have only rode Corkscrew ONCE - in August this year, but have always known and admired the immense history of the coaster. What a great, funky, jerky little coaster it is! Me and my mates are hoping to visit the Towers in afew weeks time and Corky will certainly play apart of the day!

It's great to chat with people like yourselves who I know get 'a magical feeling' when they here the name "Alton Towers"! :)

Heres to the Alton Towers' exciting future - and heres to TT Forum!

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Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:15 am

After much thought about this today, I have concluded that the one good thing about Corky's removal is that Alton Towers are continuing to fine tune their selection of quality rides. Unlike Pleasure Beach which has a plethora of average rides, Alton Towers will now stand with a small selection of world class (ish) rides.

Afterall, quality is better than quantity right?

Looking back earlier this year John Wardley was spotted several times in Ug Land. Trees have been marked, and now Corkscrew is for certain on its way out! This tells me something major is definately in the pipelines. Perhaps if Cred St is to be rethemed for 2009, then Ug Land will be rethemed in 2010 - remember the Racers concept, that would fit nicely with Rita wouldnt it?

But, maybe next years new area isn't Cred St at all. Maybe Ug Land has been given the boot at the same time as Corky.
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:31 am

"PeteB" wrote:
After much thought about this today, I have concluded that the one good thing about Corky's removal is that Alton Towers are continuing to fine tune their selection of quality rides. Unlike Pleasure Beach which has a plethora of average rides, Alton Towers will now stand with a small selection of world class (ish) rides.

Afterall, quality is better than quantity right?

Looking back earlier this year John Wardley was spotted several times in Ug Land. Trees have been marked, and now Corkscrew is for certain on its way out! This tells me something major is definately in the pipelines. Perhaps if Cred St is to be rethemed for 2009, then Ug Land will be rethemed in 2010 - remember the Racers concept, that would fit nicely with Rita wouldnt it?

But, maybe next years new area isn't Cred St at all. Maybe Ug Land has been given the boot at the same time as Corky.



Children's area- UG Land? :?


They'll probably both be done at the same time with UG Swinger moving to Cred Street and restored to it's former glory :lol:
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:36 am

Sad to see it go but also very happy in another way, glad I did ride it last week for what would be my last time...farewell corkie :cry:
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Big Dave

Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:48 am

Someone on the facebook Farewell to Corkscrew page asked what should they do with it when they have taken it down. So I replied they should send it piece by piece to Stigzy's house.

Its on next day delivery mate. Told them to leave it on your doorstep :P
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:53 am

OH THANK GOD

I am sorry to see it go but it was about time

i actually would find it so funny if it never actually left the park and just got moved into the black hole tent! which would be amusing :lol:

but yeah i hope that they do re-theme ug land for 2010 as thunder rock rally, as it really does need a re-theme, but i dont think it should just be left empty for the time being as then the only ride there wil be Rita! and i would cry to see a ride stand alone


lol

well we will just have to see how things fall into place and hope for the best
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:20 pm

Saw this on Central Midlands news today :(

Sad times
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AstroDan

Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:01 pm

There should be a decent article on Midlands Today, tonight at 6.30pm on BBC1. It may also feature on Central News, tonight at 6.00pm on ITV1.
 
DiogoJ42

Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:21 pm

Danm. I haven't felt this way since I heard Mark Spieght had died (I work on Smart and knew him reasonably well).

"kingcriplet""][quote=""coastergraham" wrote:
Taken from the BPB guide
we look forward to continuing to pioneer fantastic family entertainment of the future”.


I'm a little suprised that the highlighted part has not been discussed more - does this mean we are getting more of a familly ride than a proper thrill ride?[/quote]

Has no-one twiged yet that we will never see another 'big' ride at the towers again?
The chances of getting planning permission for anything worth riding are zero. And we all know who to thank for that, don't we?
(Infact I wouldn't be suprised if the Ropers had something to do with this.)

Lets face it, the AT have given up on the big thrill market in favour of becoming the Chessington* of the north.

RIP Corkie = RIP Alton Towers.

*a once great park reduced to a shaddow of it's former self, with nothing to attract non-enthusiasts over the age of 12
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:08 pm

Has no-one twiged yet that we will never see another 'big' ride at the towers again?
The chances of getting planning permission for anything worth riding are zero. And we all know who to thank for that, don't we?
(Infact I wouldn't be suprised if the Ropers had something to do with this.)

I don't think so, Alton Towers have been good so far at getting in big rides that meet the strict planning rules and by the sounds of it there's going to be alot of investment over the next couple of years so I reckon we'll see another big ride soon.

It's sad to see corkscrew go as it was the first proper coaster I ever rode, but it really way becoming a painful experience. I think it was time to get rid of it.
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:11 pm

Has no-one twiged yet that we will never see another 'big' ride at the towers again?
The chances of getting planning permission for anything worth riding are zero. And we all know who to thank for that, don't we?


Thats not true in the slightest.

What I'm thinking though is that if Ug Swinger is to be moved and Corkscrew removed this season then that leaves Ug Land pretty empty for next year. Now a few things come to mind; ether a stage of the re-development will take place this closed season, construction will continue throughout the summer or the land will be left empty for a year or so?

Hmmm
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LiamSAFC

Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:12 pm

"Diogoj42" wrote:
Has no-one twiged yet that we will never see another 'big' ride at the towers again?
The chances of getting planning permission for anything worth riding are zero. And we all know who to thank for that, don't we?
(Infact I wouldn't be suprised if the Ropers had something to do with this.)

Lets face it, the AT have given up on the big thrill market in favour of becoming the Chessington* of the north.

RIP Corkie = RIP Alton Towers.

*a once great park reduced to a shaddow of it's former self, with nothing to attract non-enthusiasts over the age of 12


How can you even possibly say that? If this was the case, how on Earth did Alton get planning for the likes of Spinball, Rita, Air and the likes? I still class them as thrilling rides too and have only been installed over the last 4 to 6 years so how do you work that one out. If anything, over on that far side of the Theme Park, it's probably a lot easier to get permission from anywhere else in the Park because it's not as close to Neighbouring villages like FV or X-Sector. I'm sure the fact that JW has been sniffing round reiterates the fact that this has been coming for some time now, and its only been recently the Ropers have filed up a case again, so there is no correspondence there.

AT haven't given up on the Thrill market. It's business to target families at Alton because families were being pushed away buring the turn of the millenium. Visitor numbers from families were down and they've had to focus on family attractions over the last few years to try and turn it round. I don't see any problems with Alton trying to target families becasue it gives the place full of atmosphere and I've noticed that this season, I think atmosphere on park has been so successful, its been buzzing all year which I'm happy about. Of course there is some fundamental flaws in the Park itself, however it doesn't coincide with the fact that families are the problem.

RIP Alton Towers? Hardly. Alton are trying to excel themselves within the industry and at a time of crisis within the global economic market, next year could possibly be make or break for Alton. I'm sure visitor numbers have gone up this year due to the installation of MB, and other qwerks around the Park and the management will need to try and find something that can keep the crowds in favour of visiting a UK attraction and captialise on the current recession because by next year, many airlines will collapse like we've already seen this year and prices within the industry will again rise, so it's important that Alton are trying to compete with others and it can only get better.

Like I said in an earlier post, its the fact that sentimental values count for nothing in the coaster industry. The Public want thrill and want to see quality attractions and Corkscrew is tired and old. It's had it's day and progress within the industry is key to ensure not just more quality attractions for Alton, but quite possibly to keep visitor numbers up, especially in a hard time for the whole country whereby families will probably be hit the hardest within the coming months and quite possibly years.
 
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:51 pm

I agree totaly with that post. Im doing a travel and Tourism cource at college and wev bin learning about how less people are going aborad on holidays and staying in the uk cause of rising prices. At the moment i can only see more people visiting Alton and markting it at familys has been a very good idea as its mostly familys that go on holidays together. I do think that corkscrew was a very good for the 9-11 year olds that didnt want to ridethe bigger coasters but it was getting old and rough and i think its time for it to leave.
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:06 pm

Alas, Corkys fate has been decided, a sad fate it is...
Yet maybe a needed one.

Perhaps alton can do something to keep corky alive.

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