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Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:01 am

isn't it Sweden that has the highest suicide rate in Eurpoe?

seems a bit of a long way to go just to top yourself though.
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:41 am

Problem is, they were probably immigrants and if they were captured by police would be sent back home. So instead we same to support them getting injured, pay for police, air ambulances and hospital treatment and keep them here.

Wether they are allowed to be in the country or not, they ran infront of a lorry, imagine the chaos if it had jackknifed and over turned killing those coppers?

And she gets a day in prison! Im livid i just saw this on the news again, and cant believe it.

Putting all those people at risk, and they werent trying to kill themselves they were evading the police for whatever reason.

I agree they should of been left by the side of the road and bodies sent back home.

F*cking EU!
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:13 am

Hmm I'm puzzled as to why this is classed as news at this point in time. :?
This must have been filmed weeks if not months ago if it's for a TV show so why are we only hearing about it now?
Another prime example of the BBC self promoting its programming through it's 'News' outlet? :evil:
I haven't watched the show yet so maybe i'm wrong and this is hot off the press, but I doubt it very much.
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:47 am

"Diogoj42" wrote:
isn't it Sweden that has the highest suicide rate in Eurpoe?

seems a bit of a long way to go just to top yourself though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

i know its wiki, but heres the rates for suicides.

getting a bit daily mail round here. shame that :cry:
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:56 am

A day in prison. That's a great message to put out as a deterrant! Silly silly people.

Credit to the Police and HA guys there that managed to bring traffic to a safe halt without endangering themselves or others after the orignal incident!
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:09 pm

this topic is making me lose faith in Human nature :evil:

ShootTheCore's right, even if the way he expressed himself is in my opinion, quite stupid. But come on, they're human beings, they might have come to this country illegally but they have to be treated as human beings, with there rights in tact.

any one who says it was a waste of tax payers money, you must have no morals. save money or a human life? no choice there is there?
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:11 pm

Yeeaah, wait until you start having to slave away 8 hours a day for almost a whole entire week for absolutely nothing. Other than for Mr Tax Man to take it all off you to pay to keep these people your sticking up for in our country! I'm sure your opinion will remain the same then?!

It's a shame about their way of life, it's totally wrong and I completely disagree with the way they have to live and the regimes they have to put up with in their country. But that’s life I’m afraid, with your way of thinking we might as well just invite the whole entire third world into an already over populated UK to live happily ever after!

I'm not saying we shouldn't help, what I'm saying is, a solution to the problem should be found. Letting hundreds upon thousands of illegal immigrants live a fine and dandy free life on benefits in the UK is not a solution!

As for those two girls, they are completely stupid and I have no sympathy for them what so ever. I would of been sympathetic for them in regards to their depressive low state. But running out onto a busy M6 motorway and endangering other people’s lives, that twists and changes the whole story around! For that reason alone, I have no sympathy for them. They in my opinion are no better off than suicide terrorists. Because despite that their intentions are completely different, the general outcome of the situation could of been the same!
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:37 pm

"stigzy" wrote:
Yeeaah, wait until you start having to slave away 8 hours a day for almost a whole entire week for absolutely nothing. Other than for Mr Tax Man to take it all off you to pay to keep these people your sticking up for in our country! I'm sure your opinion will remain the same then?!
I Dont Mind, i pay taxes to give myself and others a better life no mater if they are from wales or Nigeria. i dont mind if we can make a better then lets do it. if not for us then for the children..
*wont somebody please think of the children(simpson ref)


I'm not saying we shouldn't help, what I'm saying is, a solution to the problem should be found. Letting hundreds upon thousands of illegal immigrants live a fine and dandy free life on benefits in the UK is not a solution!
Most come to work for 12 hours a day get a crappy un-official wage, to frightened to go to NHS if they are ill,and have a higher risk of being subjected to criminal gangs.(using them with the threat of deportation) i dont think they can claim anything either(unless they are from the EU).and if they do have a job then they pay more taxes back to the system to pay for the average brit`s NHS bill.


As for those two girls, they are completely stupid and I have no sympathy for them what so ever. If there so low in life that they want to kill themselves, obviously that’s a problem which needs to get resolved & I'm sympathetic in regards to that issue. But running out onto a busy M6 motorway and endangering other people’s lives, that twists and changes the whole story around! For that reason alone, I have no sympathy for them. They in my opinion or no better off than suicide terrorists! Clearly their not terrorists and their intentions are probably not the same, but the general outcome of the situation could possibly be the same!
How do you know they didnt have valid reasons. perhaps they were brought here though sex trafficking or had their lifes threatened in another way.mental health issues or learning difficulties could have been a factor...no

I Have said it before, but send the immigrants up here, lots of room and lots of love. Scotland is brilliant for ingratiating community's in the right way. i have seen whole areas re generated by the immigrants and can only see it as good thing as our population dwindles.

I know the numbers are greater in the south but per head of population its quite similar. love these immigrant PEOPLE(that gets forgot about in the press, its people, with feelings, like us)

please dont think me picking on you stigzy, your a great poster but i just had to use your post to convey my opinions on the issue, which seemed to be on the flip side of yours. :D
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:10 pm

Don't worry I don't mind :) I like these debates and that's what the quote button is for...

Anyway, those two girls may well have mental health issues, or dragged to the UK through some sort of sex trafficking or whatever. But that’s all, 'buts', 'ifs', 'maybe's', 'could of' etc. No one knows the exact details as to why they ran out into the middle of the motorway. All I know and anyone else for that matter is that they did run out into the middle of a road and put a number of lives at risk in doing so.

If, let’s say they coincidentally both had mental health issues, then fair do's. Perhaps having no sympathy for them could be seen as a bit harsh. But again, that’s if they did have mental health issues, no one's none the wiser. So as it stands, from what I seen, witnessed and what I know, I have no sympathy for them!

As for the illegal immigrants. The clues in the name really isn't?! 'Illegal' I stand firmly on the ground with all three of my legs on this issue. I have a rambled on a bit but I promise it’s a good read, sorry... :shock:

Illegal immigrants working in many industries and not just those in lower paid jobs, will work for far less, (as highlighted by thou) than what legal residents & citizens work for which causes unfair competition for businesses that obey the law and employ legal citizens.

Added to that, more than likely these illegal immigrants are likely to be paid off the books quite simply because there is no way to be on the books without having all the legit documents and identity. This believe it or not is tax fraud, which costs me and the rest of the law abiding UK tax payers billions every year!

Illegal immigrants probably don’t speak an ounce of English, know any English law, and are most likely not educated to a level of understanding English safety standards. As highlighted in that video & programme from yesterday evening by those two Swedish pillocks walking down the middle of the M6!

Employers are naturally greedy and will (again as highlighted by you good sir) drive down the wages in lower paid jobs and pay illegal immigrants peanuts. This affects people in lower paid jobs as a whole, because why would an employer pay a cleaner who’s been a UK citizen since birth the minimum wage when the employer can pay the illegal immigrant a pack of KP salt and vinegar nuts to do the same job?!

Because they are illegal immigrants, illegal being the key word there, they are not supposed to be in the country. Therefore having no legal documents, not able to open bank accounts etc etc etc rah rah rah. Therefore no tax contributions are made, extra people and an estimated 500,000 illegal extra people at that, the last time I checked it out. Equals higher taxes for the rest of the law abiding citizens since birth to accommodate these extra illegal people!

Again as you more or less pointed out, Illegal immigrants are likely to be subject and the victims of abusive employers because they would most definitely not want to report any such incidents at the risk of deportation! Therefore putting their own lives at risk and in danger in the very place they was seeking peace!

If I recall correctly it can cost anywhere from £750 to £13,000 to deport an illegal immigrant back to their own country. £13,000 pound could perhaps be better spent on suicide deterrents on the M6 motorway, eh? But then again if we didn’t have an illegal immigrant problem in the first place perhaps that £13,000 could be spent on educating people that think illegal immigrants are a good thing! :P JOOOOKE, JOKES! Seriously though, £13,000 is a lot of British tax payers money!

I really am sorry to ramble on and on, and I think I should end it there, but believe me this sort of stuff winds me up something chronic and I could go on if I wanted to! But just to completely stab myself in the heart and contradict myself. The whole irony of all of this is that it’s probably all our own governments fault!
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:38 pm

thanks for the response, don't have time to go into what you said tonight, but lots of good points/(most i don't agree on :P ) and i will try and get back to you tomorrow.

one thing, if there was people on the motorway shouldn't the police that were there shut the road or put it on a go slow. They do that if a animal is loose, but not a person?
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Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:49 pm

Didn't the Highways Agency :evil: shut the road off, take both the Swedish birds aside on the hard shoulder to await the Ambulance and Pig cars?! And re-open the road while waiting safely on the hard shoulder?! sure thats what happend anyway.
 
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Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:52 am

I am very shocked at the video I just saw :shock:
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Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:09 am

"jordi20012002" wrote:
I am very shocked at the video I just saw :shock:


Well, I am sure *you* won't be clicking on another link with "2girls1cup" in the URL again... :shock:

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