Meat Pie wrote:
Garyh - I would never protest soldiers coming home as me and those people are very different and I recognise whatever the political position you hold, the soldiers are doing a job. I think they should protest the politicians not the soldiers. To associate us with those protesters is completely misguided and a gross misrepresentation of all republicans. In fact, we republicans stopped some silly "anarchists" from burning a Union Jack because we are proud to be British but not of the Queen. I would like you to take that back.
Your missing the point, and there is nothing for me to take back. My point is that these people who wanted to go and protest at soliders coming home amongst people celebrating the soldiers coming home are doing basically the same as what the republicans did - while in different context, you are exercising your freedom of speech. If these people wanted to go and protest at soliders coming home, then they had the right to do it. You had the right to protest, which you did, allbeit not in the spot you would have liked. Same thing, just different reasons.
And Gary, I would never dream of abusing or being aggressive to any of the monarchists going to celebrate so they should afford me the same courtesy. By accepting aggression and violence and telling us that republicans should have expected it makes as much sense as telling a rape victim that they were asking for it. You are condoning the sorts of behavior that the EDL commit.
The EDL are a bunch of football hooligans, and violence and aggresion is usually present in their ranks. The point I was making was that where you find the EDL, you will find trouble. Stick a republican protesting against the monarchy in the middle of the EDL and yes trouble will break out. Im not condoning it, im being realistic, it will happen. Like ive been saying all along, the police moving you was for your safety, the bottle being thrown was proof of this. Whether or not society is violent or not or aggresive is another seperate debate, but as you can tell from online discussions, things get heated at times. As for the rape victim comment, i'll just LOL at that one as its so way off the mark.
People should be able to protest peacefully and we are constantly denied that right because there is a significant percentage of the Monarchist camp who are unreasonable and will not let us do that. You should be condemning abuse being thrown at us as I would condemn any in the opposite direction.
I agree, people should be able to protest peacefully, I totally agree, I have never said they shouldnt be able, but what I am saying her is be realistic, unfortunately you are going to find people who firmly believe in their cause who will be abusive and violent to support it. Its life im afraid, in any country, infact, in the UK we are generally a lot more tollerant when you compare us to other countries. Given that the republicans wanted their "safe" spot to protest it, obviously you guys knew there may be the real possibility of trouble. Again, your missing the point entirely, im not condonining it, im just living in the real world.
Like I said to Sam, and i'll say to you, we'll also have agree to disagree on this one. You have your views, I have mine.