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What are your views on the Olympics?

It's a great honour to have it here, I will follow it with pride.
13 (41%)
It's nice that we have it, but I won't be watching too much.
10 (31%)
I don't see why we have it and are considered fit to be hosting it.
4 (13%)
I don't care.
5 (16%)
 
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The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:42 pm

We've had the Jubilee and the telefest of Euro 2012 is about to start, so next our heads turn to the Olympics, the third time in London. Somehow we've got it? Do you care? Will you be watching it? Are we fit enough to be hosting it? Yes it's another poll again, please don't spread into anarchy this time!
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:51 pm

I'll be watching as much of the Olympics as I can. I've been looking forward to them ever since that day in July 2005 when, in a Maths lesson (and after persuading our teacher), we found out that London had won the right to host the Games. Of course, the following day was truly awful, and dampened spirits considerably, but even so, the mood has improved a lot. I'm also going to be attending an Olympic event - two games of the men's football tournament at Wembley Stadium, with those games being Senegal v Uruguay and Great Britain v United Arab Emirates. I can't wait! :D
 
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:55 pm

Nothing anarchistic from me in regards to the Olympics. :P

Being both a proud Brit and fan of sports I think it's great for the country to host the games, and I'm happy that in 50 years or so I'll be able to say I can remember when the Olympics was here. :)

I'll be watching plenty of stuff on TV, and I'm sure the opening ceremony is going to be wonderful.
 
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:14 am

I do have a few issues with the Olympics... (surprise, surprise).

My first concern is that they seem to claim to be some great force for good in the world and yet are willing to ignore severe human rights abuses of both competitor and hosting states. It's also notable that they participate in huge sponsorship deals from inappropriate business partners for a sporting event. I think they ought to drop their false message of ethics as they obviously don't really value it.

Secondly, I don't think it's appropriate for us to spend quite so much public money on facilities that have a such limited future and use or fund large scale one-time events such as the opening ceremony while there are increasing numbers of people in this country relying on the aid of charity to feed themselves and their families.

It does sort of rub wasteful expenditure in the face of normal people struggling to pay bills and get by.

As for whether I personally enjoy the games or not, I've never really been into sports and it's just not my cup of tea. Despite that, the Olympics has been and will be very good for the arts and it would be a lie to say that I'm not thrilled by the idea of increased focus on artistic outputs - even if I do feel the increased funding is morally suspect in today's economic climate.
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:49 am

I'm looking forward to it :) However, I do feel it is very overhyped, and it's all we've been hearing about in school for the last two or three years.

The only tickets I managed to get were tickets to see GB vs Uruguay and Mexico vs Switzerland for football. The only downside is the huge trek to Cardiff to cheer on Britain. It should be worth it though :P
 
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:07 am

Meat Pie wrote:
I do have a few issues with the Olympics... (surprise, surprise).

My first concern is that they seem to claim to be some great force for good in the world and yet are willing to ignore severe human rights abuses of both competitor and hosting states. It's also notable that they participate in huge sponsorship deals from inappropriate business partners for a sporting event. I think they ought to drop their false message of ethics as they obviously don't really value it.

Secondly, I don't think it's appropriate for us to spend quite so much public money on facilities that have a such limited future and use or fund large scale one-time events such as the opening ceremony while there are increasing numbers of people in this country relying on the aid of charity to feed themselves and their families.

It does sort of rub wasteful expenditure in the face of normal people struggling to pay bills and get by.

As for whether I personally enjoy the games or not, I've never really been into sports and it's just not my cup of tea. Despite that, the Olympics has been and will be very good for the arts and it would be a lie to say that I'm not thrilled by the idea of increased focus on artistic outputs - even if I do feel the increased funding is morally suspect in today's economic climate.


For once, I agree with you, Meat Pie. *shock horror*  :P

The amount of public money being spent is a particular concern of mine. Especially given that in the long run most of the Olympic venues could be bulldozed over. Which is a huge shame if that does happen. What a waste of money.

I'd dread to know the amount of £££s that have been spent from public money in the UK this year. The Olympics, the Jubilee, New Year's... while all eyes are on London and they need to impress the worldwide stage I can't help but feel the amount of money being spent this year is a bit over the top. Especially given the fact we're still a country that is financially just about getting on and a lot of families (I can safely say my family  - who are middle class, are just about scrapping the barrel) are still struggling through these times. The economic climate is hardly stable at the moment...

I'll be watching the opening ceremony no doubt. Although from there sports is not that much of an exciting thing for me. I can easily miss the whole thing, it just does not entertain me enough.   
 
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:00 am

James agrees with me? I'm obviously not being revolutionary enough. *Turns political ideology up to eleven*

:P

But in all seriousness, as a Socialist I'm not against the Government investing public money as that makes jobs and growth, but the spending on these spectacles of the Olympics, Jubilee and New Year's celebrations are all things which do not make any great financial return for the country and do not directly improve the lives of the general public (beyond the provision of entertainment).

When the economic cards are down, I would say every penny needs to be invested in a way which benefits the most vulnerable or increases growth  and unfortunately the Olympics does not fall under either of those categories.
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:20 pm

I couldn't give a stuff for the Olympics but it is nice to have our country in the limelight for a change.
What has to be remembered is when we won the bid there was plenty of money before Liebour spent it all on the public sector.
The problem with socialists is they don't understand hard work, I have no problem helping out people who have suddenly come to hard times but don't see why people should make a career on the dole.
I get up every day at 6 am and work at least 12 hours running my own business, why should I pay for the can' t be bothered or more to the point why can't I spend all of my money on what I see fit not what some government decides.
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:08 pm

The Terminator wrote:
I couldn't give a stuff for the Olympics but it is nice to have our country in the limelight for a change.
What has to be remembered is when we won the bid there was plenty of money before Liebour spent it all on the public sector.
The problem with socialists is they don't understand hard work, I have no problem helping out people who have suddenly come to hard times but don't see why people should make a career on the dole.
I get up every day at 6 am and work at least 12 hours running my own business, why should I pay for the can' t be bothered or more to the point why can't I spend all of my money on what I see fit not what some government decides.


Daily Mail reader... I sense one among us...  :P

First of all, what do you mean by they spent 'all' the money on the public sector? I assume you mean they invested borrowed money and tax money on keeping hospitals, schools, police units, struggling businesses with large employment levels amongst other things from closing. I'm not a Labour supporter but they were no-doubt doing a better job then the current con-dem government at keeping people in employment and keeping the economy away from receding further.

The problem with conservatives is that they complain about people claiming dole money and yet their policies consistently force more people onto it.

Of course there are problems that need to be ironed out with the welfare system with a small minority of people taking advantage of it. However, penalising the genuinely disabled and the job seekers (like the current government is doing) in a market place where there simply are no jobs (largely due to the lack of government funding) is Dickensian and forces the poor into becoming the penniless and forces the penniless into becoming the hopeless.

And I think people should think of themselves as members of society first, and then individuals second. You should pay your fair share into society and if you fall into a financial struggle you too will be supported.

Anyway, this is way off topic, if you wish to continue discussing this very issue with me I think we should take it to this more appropriate topic: http://forum.towerstimes.co.uk/corner-c ... l-beliefs/
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:01 am

The Terminator wrote:
I couldn't give a stuff for the Olympics but it is nice to have our country in the limelight for a change.
What has to be remembered is when we won the bid there was plenty of money before Liebour spent it all on the public sector.
The problem with socialists is they don't understand hard work, I have no problem helping out people who have suddenly come to hard times but don't see why people should make a career on the dole.
I get up every day at 6 am and work at least 12 hours running my own business, why should I pay for the can' t be bothered or more to the point why can't I spend all of my money on what I see fit not what some government decides.


Either this is a parody post, or this country's preoccupation with dole-seekers has reached fever pitch. This is a thread about the Olympics. Sure, there's a link between Olympic funding and welfare, but where did that come from?! Although, congratulations on your hard work and business success. Saying that, I foresee troubled times ahead for Skynet...
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:26 pm

I see the Olympics as a double edged sword.  and when they first declared london the winners of the bid, I did wonder if other countries had put bad bits in to the save financial damage of hosting the game during a recession.

Yes, we are spending big amounts on buildings, infrastructure and equipment.  and this can go two ways.

they are badly managed after the the event and end up being money pits that get bulldozed. or with the correct management they produce enough income to be self funding and become an asset to the uk.

there is also the expenditure on security of the games, including policing, military support. that is being covered by the general public.

On the other hand the expenditure has put money into the British industry. I will explain with a couple of companies that have benefited.

SP services. a First aid equipment supplier.
They have supplied all the medical equipment for the games. 

Elements Europe Ltd. builder of modular building sections.
They have made and supplied all the rooms for competitors in the Olympic village.

It is said that in the Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin area alone, there has been a £25 million cash injection from the games.

Then there is the games tourists, that will be spending their cash in the UK during the games.

and to be honest, i can't work out if the games are a good thing or a bad thing for the UK
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Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:16 am

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:16 am

Of course, it's an honour to live in the country hosting the 2012 Olympics, but I don't think that the Olympics really affect me all that much.  :|

Living in East Cheshire, there aren't any Olympic celebrations/ceremonies, etc. going on. Even when the Olympic Flame came through the town a minutes walk away from where I live, my school said that no-one was allowed to come in late, unless they had very good reason, for example travel problems. Despite this, two people came in late in my form, and nothing was done about it!

I guess this sort of just lowered my interest in the Olympics altogether, considering that was probably the first and last thing that could be seen, not on TV, in my area.  :(

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