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The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:18 pm

So as not to make it seem like I'm picking on anyone, or using my superior knowledge of the English language as a kind of oblique ad hominem in an argument, can I just use this topic to clarify some things?

POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS
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1st person singular (nom 'I') - MY
2nd person singular (nom 'You') - YOUR (note: no apostrophe)
3rd person singular (nom 'He/She/It') - HIS HERS ITS (note: no apostrophe)

1st person plural (nom 'We') - OUR
2nd person plural (nom 'You') - YOUR (note: no apostrophe)
3rd person plural (nom - 'They') - THEIR (note spelling)


You use these pronouns, in simple terms, to designate something as being possessed by the noun for which the pronoun stands: i.e

Alton Towers let me have a look at their secret plans to build a cross-valley woodie sponsored by the Ropers.

I think your ideas for what SW7 should be named call your sanity into question.

Did you hear Wodan was destroyed after a herd of angry BISON stampeded through its structure?




But Simon, what about those apostrophes that we were always told at school showed possession? Well they do, but NOT FOR BLOODY PRONOUNS.

'They're', 'It's' and 'You're' are contractions; the apostrophe shows a letter (or two) have been taken out.

THEY'RE & YOU'RE are short for THEY ARE  and YOU ARE respectively.

IT'S is short for IT IS or IT HAS.

For my sanity, please get it right. I think I might actually boil my head the next time someone tells me "your wrong".
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:24 pm

Is this really necessary? :|
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:27 pm

Yes.

It drives me crazy, and it seems to be getting worse.

As bad as it sounds, it does knock my confidence in your ability to put together a coherent argument if you consistently make such elementary grammatical errors.

OK, everyone drops a clanger now and then; we're human, but some people on here just don't know and if this helps then so much the better.
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:34 pm

As much as I repect the use of "proper english", this is an internet forum about having an informal discussion about Alton Towers, not the queen's offical internet forum (if there is such thing). Plus they are many other things out there that are worth getting cross about and I hate to say this but this isn't one of them.

Chill man... You'll live longer!  :P
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:39 pm

Considering an estimated 10% of people suffer from some form of dyslexia, it seems a little insensitive to be quite so patronising over simple spelling and grammar mistakes.

I would like to encourage anyone to contribute whatever they can as whether their grammar is perfect or not, they can still contribute something of real value.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:46 pm

Theirs not inuff thnx in teh wurld 4 you're wisdum Simon. :yes:
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:18 am

This topic is the Simoniest topic that ever Simoned. :P
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:34 am

ImURNemesis wrote:
Plus they are many other things out there that are worth getting cross about and I hate to say this but this isn't one of them.


Such as replacing the word 'there' with 'they'? .... sorry, couldn't help it.

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Considering an estimated 10% of people suffer from some form of dyslexia, it seems a little insensitive to be quite so patronising over simple spelling and grammar mistakes.


Linking this with dyslexia is possibly the worst argument ever. Suffering from dyslexia really just means you try so much harder, and almost without fail it means you regularly produce better spelling and grammar than people with no issue at all.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:45 am

Well, I can tell you Squiggles, at least from my personal experience of a family member with dyslexia (admittedly it's not extremely accurate to base this on one case) they do struggle with spelling and do often fail to get it perfect despite exerted efforts to get it right. He finds it frustrating enough as it is without someone constantly pointing out every little mistake when what he has written is perfectly decipherable.

He also happens to be someone who has a lot of insightful things to contribute and I respect his opinion greatly. I just wouldn't want to deter someone like that from joining because of something as superficial as minor spelling and grammar mistakes.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:57 am

I have no doubt that if I was at school these days, I would be classed as dyslexic. My spelling is embarrasingly bad for someone as witty, intelligent and modest as myself. ;)

When I was at school, it was known as "being thick", or "not trying hard enough". The teachers didn't give me any special help... they gave me detention. :lol:
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:03 am

Really? Dyslexic people are just thick and they shouldn't get special help?  :no:
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:04 am

No, I didn't say that. I said that that is what I was told I was.
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:08 am

Sorry, it seemed to be that you were implying that dyslexia was a myth but reading back, I now see that you were not doing so at all.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:09 am

:-k Though now that you mention it... TRY HARDER, DAMN YOU!

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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:41 am

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Is this really necessary? :|

I think the number of thanks for this post, compared with the number of thanks for Simon's post, kinda shows what the community as a whole feels about the necessity of this thread ;)

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The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:19 am

ImURNemesis wrote:
As much as I repect the use of "proper english", this is an internet forum about having an informal discussion about Alton Towers, not the queen's offical internet forum (if there is such thing). Plus they are many other things out there that are worth getting cross about and I hate to say this but this isn't one of them.

Chill man... You'll live longer!  :P


How is that a valid argument for not using correct elementary grammar? Just because it's teh internets l0lz does not give an excuse to be lazy - because that's what it is - about grammar. It's still a medium involving written language, in this instance English, and correct grammar rules should be followed.

Or is it because you think that if it's learnt in school, then it's something that doesn't serve a function in life outside of school? As if using 'Queen's English' as you put it places you on a higher plain of supposed superiority that you choose not to follow? Well, you learn it in school for a reason, because it's the language you speak and write with and language has rules.

As for dyslexia, that is more related to knowing the spelling of words than grammatical rules, although I do appreciate it can extend to this. But then, as the person I have quoted above demonstrates, this is targeted to people who are too lazy to follow correct rules
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:33 am

Hello Dyslexic person here

Can i just say i'm not offended by Simons post, dyslexia makes certain aspects of the written methods of communication difficult but that doesn't mean we can't learn about SPG as much as the next person. I find it more insulting to have it suggested i should be pitied for having this problem.

Noone has ever stopped me from contributing to any discussion because i sometimes put an apostrophy in the wrong place but i also apreciate any help offered.

Also i think a lot of poor SPG on the forums is lazyness, the dyslexics tend to be the ones appearing to at least try even if we fail sometimes.
 
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:23 am

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I think the number of thanks for this post, compared with the number of thanks for Simon's post, kinda shows what the community as a whole feels about the necessity of this thread ;)

:P


Because I really have a reputation for conforming to what the majority of the community thinks?  ;)

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Hello Dyslexic person here

Can i just say i'm not offended by Simons post, dyslexia makes certain aspects of the written methods of communication difficult but that doesn't mean we can't learn about SPG as much as the next person. I find it more insulting to have it suggested i should be pitied for having this problem.

Noone has ever stopped me from contributing to any discussion because i sometimes put an apostrophy in the wrong place but i also apreciate any help offered.

Also i think a lot of poor SPG on the forums is lazyness, the dyslexics tend to be the ones appearing to at least try even if we fail sometimes.


Sorry if it comes across as me pitying you as that most certainly is not my intention. Of course Dyslexic people are of no difference in terms of learning but there are some who are severely effected by it (like the person I referred to) and would see a topic like this and would refrain from posting out of embarrassment. That doesn't seem very nice to me.

To be honest, whether it's a result of dyslexia or laziness, it still seems superficial to patronisingly lecture about spelling and grammar, when I can perfectly understand almost all posts that I've ever seen on this forum, despite mistakes.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:26 am

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ImURNemesis wrote:
As much as I repect the use of "proper english", this is an internet forum about having an informal discussion about Alton Towers, not the queen's offical internet forum (if there is such thing). Plus they are many other things out there that are worth getting cross about and I hate to say this but this isn't one of them.

Chill man... You'll live longer!  :P


How is that a valid argument for not using correct elementary grammar? Just because it's teh internets l0lz does not give an excuse to be lazy - because that's what it is - about grammar. It's still a medium involving written language, in this instance English, and correct grammar rules should be followed.

Or is it because you think that if it's learnt in school, then it's something that doesn't serve a function in life outside of school? As if using 'Queen's English' as you put it places you on a higher plain of supposed superiority that you choose not to follow? Well, you learn it in school for a reason, because it's the language you speak and write with and language has rules.

As for dyslexia, that is more related to knowing the spelling of words than grammatical rules, although I do appreciate it can extend to this. But then, as the person I have quoted above demonstrates, this is targeted to people who are too lazy to follow correct rules


That's not what I meant! I was refuring to minor errors rather than "Lol! Git in it bro, uo?" Which dosn't make any scene at all.  You point about school being? Yes, I leaned about gramma at school and I find that quite insulting that you've suggested that I haven't or that I don't use it! Is isn't school where there it is an necessity to get everything right. Like I quite clearly said, this is an internet forum where it should be more tolarant on such things. The term "Queens english" has a fuction outside of school, I understand that! But picking out very little mirror faults and making a big issue about it is bullying to some extent.

I try my upmost to make sure that everything that I post is readable! And I will make mistakes from time to time because I'm human. If that is not good enough... then move along! I understand that you have good intentions but please draw a line under the sand and don't penalise individuals who make the odd mistake.
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Re: The POSSESSIVE PRONOUN topic

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:53 am

I... Gosh I don't know. The responses in this thread really have thrown me.

I get the feeling that Simon made this thread half in jest, and yet people have jumped down his throat as if he has been incredibly rude, insulting and patronising. He certainly hasn't been any of those things (the third perhaps slightly, but really I feel his post was light hearted).

His original point still stands, though, and I couldn't agree with it more whole-heartedly.
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